Ed...these are two separate issues. There are many organizations out there to help humans, and many to help animals. One has nothing to do with the other.
Candy said:No I don't. I see it this way if your a person that would be cruel to animals then you're a person who'd be cruel to people too.
-EJ said:Stop what?
Don't you think that cruelty to humans should take priority?
Look at how some of the people are treated on these lists.
I was told to do everyone a favor and throw myself under a moving bus.
Don't you think we need to treat each other better before focusing on animals?
DoctorCosmonaut said:Candy said:No I don't. I see it this way if your a person that would be cruel to animals then you're a person who'd be cruel to people too.
" One of the known warning signs of certain psychopathologies, including anti-social personality disorder, also known as psychopathic personality disorder, is a history of torturing pets and small animals, a behavior known as zoosadism. According to the New York Times, "[t]he FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appears in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.[41] "A survey of psychiatric patients who had repeatedly tortured dogs and cats found all of them had high levels of aggression toward people as well, including one patient who had murdered a young boy."[41] Robert K. Ressler, an agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation's behavioral sciences unit, studied serial killers and noted,"Murderers like this (Jeffrey Dahmer) very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids."[42] "
Not to mention the
Sources:
41: Felthous, Alan R. (1998). Aggression against Cats, Dogs, and People. In Cruelty to Animals and Interpersonal Violence: Readings in Research and Applications.. West Lafayette, Indiana: Purdue University Press. pp. 159–167.
42: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/07/u...-killer.html?scp=309&sq=Daniel+Goleman&st=nyt
Candy said:No I don't. I see it this way if your a person that would be cruel to animals then you're a person who'd be cruel to people too.
DoctorCosmonaut said:I think we have all spent way too much
-EJ said:I believe you said something similar before. Do you have a problem with this kind of conversation?
last time I looked this was a 'controversial' section of the forum.
DoctorCosmonaut said:I think we have all spent way too much
Entertainment is one purpose, sure, but the main reason for an animal in a zoo is to educate the general public and get them to care about it. We only save what we know and love. This creates "flagship" species which end up saving entire ecosystems.terryo said:You obviously agree with me that animals can be confined or kept for our purposes (you have cats, dogs, birds, and Dale). I don't see a big difference between you and I keeping animals, and a zoo doing it- except that the zoo animals benefit more people than our pets do.
I am not against Zoo's that provide the right environment for their animals, but I have never seen a dog, or a cat in a zoo. Most animals in the zoo belong in the wild, not in cages. They are there for the sole purpose of our entertainment.
Roachman26 said:Entertainment is one purpose, sure, but the main reason for an animal in a zoo is to educate the general public and get them to care about it. We only save what we know and love. This creates "flagship" species which end up saving entire ecosystems.
terryo said:Entertainment is one purpose, sure, but the main reason for an animal in a zoo is to educate the general public and get them to care about it. We only save what we know and love. This creates "flagship" species which end up saving entire ecosystems.
I swore I was not even going to read any more posts here, but I have to say one more thing.... I hope this will be it for me....It's exhausting now...
So Richard, you are saying it's educational for us to go to a Zoo and see elephants chained to a post, walking around in a small circle, with nothing else to do....lions in a cage, pacing back and forth from boredom, crocks laying in a small pool where they can hardly turn around, etc., and these animals should be sacrificed ......which aren't even teaching us anything....to save the entire ecosystems?? Do you think that people going to the zoo to see a few animals suffering are learning anything?
Those kind of zoo's are not educating me. I would get more education from reading a book about them. We also have the Internet now which we can see everything and anything to educate us.
Unfortunately, I am not a person who had the means to travel, and haven't seen many zoos. I have seen some small zoos with animals in deplorable conditions. I have also been to the Bronx Zoo, which may not be that great, but some enclosures were more natural. Some, not all, Zoo's do not educate, and are just cruel.
There is good and bad in every single organization, person, zoo, etc. EVERYTHING on this good earth has good and bad in it...........even the PETA.