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Orchid bark - should it be pre- soaked?

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  1. Randdawgg

    Randdawgg New Member

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    Horsfield torts are a species that need to hibernate.If they grow all year long they can develop metabolic bone disease and pyrmiding.This is tough one but it is very beneficial for the torotoise!
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    dmmj The member formerly known as captain awesome Moderator 10 Year Member!

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    Grow to quickly?!?!?!?! In what way?
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    Horsfields like a number of torts need to hibernate.I have read of alot of health issues when owning a tortoise that needs to hibernate.They are wired for it and even if they have been hatched and hand raised it is not healthy for the tort.I have a african leopard tort and did as much research as I could and he is one of the dessert torts that does not hibernate.Animals first people second!!!!
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    dmmj The member formerly known as captain awesome Moderator 10 Year Member!

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    I will respectfully disagree that Russian tortoises need 2 hibernate
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    Follow the care sheets you see here for the russian torts. Moist is better. They are not desert animals.
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    That is not true. They do not get pyramiding from not hibernating. And they do not get mbd from it ether. Mbd is caused from lack of calcium and uvb light. Pyramiding is caused by being raised too dry.
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    The research is there.Im big on the tortoise health first.
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    Can you please supply a link to this research or where to look for it?
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    the research doesn't exist, at least not credible research that's why I respectfully disagreed. But people R allowed to believe whatever they want to
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    Hi Reynier: First of all, you're new here, so I'm going to assume that you haven't had a chance to read all our care sheets on Sulcatas (since you thought the Russian was a sulcata, I'm assuming (again) that you're interested in sulcatas). We have new, cutting edge information on how to raise sulcatas, and it's completely different from the information you've put forth in your post.
    1. The info on the light was good
    2. Pine is definitely NOT a good choice of bedding for a tortoise. Pine has aromatic oils that can be harmful to pets. My substrate of choice is fir bark. You can moisten the fir bark and it won't mold or stink, and if they accidentally eat it it is not harmful.
    3. Cuttle bone is easier for the tortoises to bite.
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    Pyramiding is still up in the air as far as the research goes.One of the speculations is that if the tort does not hibernate it continues to grow at a rate that it was not genetically designed to do which the speculation is pyramiding.Its also stressful for the tortoise to not hibernate and can shorten their lives!
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    Mmmmm nooooo
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    Hi! I'm from England but currently living in Texas where i have my 2 year old Russian happily set up in an outdoor enclosure but, even here, she has to come inside for a couple of mouths in the winter (i haven't dared try hibernation yet! ). I hope you stay active on the forum because one day soon we'll be relocating back to the uk and I'm not looking forward to trying to build a heated outdoor enclosed for her!

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    I'm not trying to be mean but you're going to have a hell of a time getting that tortoise back to the UK
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    I did speak to someone in uk customs and was told that provided i had a vet's certificate there were no restrictions on import because they don't carry disease. I just have to put her in a box with other pets in hold.
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    We've had other members who had to jump through hoop after hoop after hoop, but I wish you the best of luck
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    Now I'm worried! Going to have to start planning super early. Thanks for letting me know. Def don't want to leave her behind!
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    All of those things that you described are in America, just not in the same place! We are very much larger than Scotland! We also have mountains (some old, worn and gentle, the Appalachians in the east, and large and rugged - the Rockies in the west). We have lots of coastline,, and depending on where you're standing, those vary also. It's impossible to experience it all unless you come on a really long vacation. But if you get the chance, come visit us, and we'll help you plan your trip so that you can see the spots you'd most like to see, and then you can come back again and again ti see more!
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    Hello. Nice to hear from another fellow Brit Russian tort owner and living in Texas - Wow! Must be amazing. I'll definitely stay on the forum for chats. I'm sure you have good advice I could learn from also. I hope you get on ok with the move and I love your outdoor enclosure. Thanks for message. Lynne.
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    Hi there. I wouldn't have a clue where to visit first in USA. I'd like to see a bit of everything, just not the bustling cities! I'd have a total panic in amongst so many people and traffic. I'd be so shell shocked. Thanks for offering your tourist info services for my future trip to America
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