Need ideas for box turtle pond

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Some science about Copaiba oil...is short, there was a distinct anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effect at the higher study dose, but the rats' livers were also damaged over the 18-day course of the study:


Again, exercise caution even with short-term use.
 

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I've been watching this thread, afraid to "step on" the very much needed flow of information as it transpired over the days since you 1st posted the abscess on the 28th......

Barber, we all hope for success for you and your little guy.....but I also wanted to remind you how lucky you are......

The advice and care info you have received is Zoo quality........you won't find better talent, well, anywhere online!

Sometimes big-in-their-own-right people stand in awe of others, as I do.........very cool!

jeff
 

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I've been watching this thread, afraid to "step on" the very much needed flow of information as it transpired over the days since you 1st posted the abscess on the 28th......

Barber, we all hope for success for you and your little guy.....but I also wanted to remind you how lucky you are......

The advice and care info you have received is Zoo quality........you won't find better talent, well, anywhere online!

Sometimes big-in-their-own-right people stand in awe of others, as I do.........very cool!

jeff
I am AMAZED at the number of people out there who care about and love their turtles/tortoises, etc. I have realized how much "work" there can be in properly taking care of these wonderful critters, even when there are no problems. The forums are full of accidents, injuries, losses, sex confusions, food confusion, lighting confusion, etc...it can be somewhat comical, somewhat daunting....I had no idea, when I wanted to capture a piece of my youth where I would find box turtles in my back yard in Neptune, NJ, the adventure (and hard work!) that would be in store for me! But, like you said, the most amazing thing to me is the level of caring, sharing, and Knowledge of many many people on this forum.

I did order some of the vitamins, supplements, etc...why do thes people ? who are they? put stickers over the ingredients/directions of these items? The print is already so small and hard to read, and now half of it is covered by a sticker that cant be removed? Kiwi was spending pretty much all day in her water basin...now over the last few days, she is in her "hide" and barely moves. Dont know if this is a positive step or not. Still has not eaten anything for a week. i am embarresed to admit a total screw up where I , in a state of post covid overly stressed confusion put the vitamin eye drops in her eyes instead of her mouth.. Yes...that was stupid..I immediately rinsed under the faucet, and she didnt react and seems to have no ill effects..Im hoping they have a protective eye covering . I do thank all of you for your help and knowledge and caring...for those of you who find a good local vet, you need to appreciate that also, as I dont think its as common as it should be
 

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my opinion is you need to get her back outside ...... confine her to a smaller area of her pen so you can find her ....... if you have electric near her pen provide her with a source of heat she can find , a heat lamp, che ...........if she isn't eating and acting normal outside soon i'd think about not leaving he out for the winter ......
 

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I had been thinking of how to block off a portion...something like concrete blocks would work...I do have alot of dead stumps and wood that might work too
 

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Yes...not only is she not packing on fat, she's burning calories.

Have you been soaking her with baby food fruits & vege?

How is the incision healing?
 

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Yes...not only is she not packing on fat, she's burning calories.

Have you been soaking her with baby food fruits & vege?

How is the incision healing?
insision looks fine, but still swollen..she was soaking pretty much 24/7...only last day or so has stopped...she wont open mouth to be force fed....i put out a mixture of food, but the only thing she always seemed to go after was worms..but if there's pain to chew, that might be the issue
 

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If she will eat worms, then let her. Some nutrition is waaaay better than none and worms are a good choice. Does your pet store keep live wax worms or live black soldier fly larvae? Try those as well. They're both soft...wax worms have a good fat content, and the BSF larvae are high protein and calcium.

Baby foods are great to add to soak water...carrot, fruit, string bean, etc.. She can absorb some nutrients and sugars that are dissolved in the water. Raw honey (buckwheat is the most varied and strongest antioxidant content) is great for energy and disinfection of the mouth when she drinks.

You might try giving her a thin layer of substrate...something like fir bark that you rinsed the dust off. If she burrows, she won't get her head under, but she may feel more Natural and hidden. The bark chips will help you hold and release water for humidity.
 

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If she will eat worms, then let her. Some nutrition is waaaay better than none and worms are a good choice. Does your pet store keep live wax worms or live black soldier fly larvae? Try those as well. They're both soft...wax worms have a good fat content, and the BSF larvae are high protein and calcium.

Baby foods are great to add to soak water...carrot, fruit, string bean, etc.. She can absorb some nutrients and sugars that are dissolved in the water. Raw honey (buckwheat is the most varied and strongest antioxidant content) is great for energy and disinfection of the mouth when she drinks.

You might try giving her a thin layer of substrate...something like fir bark that you rinsed the dust off. If she burrows, she won't get her head under, but she may feel more Natural and hidden. The bark chips will help you hold and release water for humidity.
Great ideas..i believe the lack of substrate is an issue and now I understand what you're saying about the baby food soak
 

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skin looks bleached out...not so thin and papery..returning to normal..surgery site looks puffy, insision looks fine, the "bump" is alot smaller, hopefully will continue to shrink..her right side ear looks really good...she seems active and alert ...eyes look fine..having a soak

going to get aubstrate to put about a 1/4 inch down, getting baby food, worms...in a few days i will consider putting her back in outdoor enclosure...with some modifications
 

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I like that alert "expectant" look on her face - much more natural and less "headachy".

Yes, her skin looks more hydrated (stress really burns the water out of reptiles).

Keep up your attentive care!
 

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After I got rid of the coil bulbs and used the long Bulb, like the one in the picture, I had a hard time getting the temperature even up to 70゚... and I had to use the mister extensively to get the humidity up.... Since the bulb doesn't give off much heat I tried the space heater ...I had read that 1 way to get a turtle to eat is get the temperature up to about 80゚ Since of course heat rises, this is the contraption I came up with... She is sitting under the Box enshrouded in mist...
 

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She definitely needs heat to run her immune system and to heal, in addition to taking an interest in food.

Since she was recently outdoors, the uvb radiation is optional...a good overhead incandescent bulb or smaller che for basking is what you need. Using a thin layer of wetted fir chips will solve the humidity.

But good engineering! lol We should have contests...
 

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She definitely needs heat to run her immune system and to heal, in addition to taking an interest in food.

Since she was recently outdoors, the uvb radiation is optional...a good overhead incandescent bulb or smaller che for basking is what you need. Using a thin layer of wetted fir chips will solve the humidity.

But good engineering! lol We should have contests...
gotta be careful...I left the space heater on low, and when I checked back after a few hours, it was 100°...the good news is she scampered into her hide..where it was exactly 80°..it scared me though
 

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FINALLY.. I bought some worms, some nightcrawlers, she'd go up to them, look at them, but never took a bite... they got a little covered with dirt and substrate so I dropped him in her water dish.... they crawled out and were hiding behind it (roasting in the 100゚) When I took the water dish to change the water I put her over by the 2 crawlers... there and finally she is doing some snacking ! maybe she just needed the worm slightly cooked 🤣
 

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gotta be careful...I left the space heater on low, and when I checked back after a few hours, it was 100°...the good news is she scampered into her hide..where it was exactly 80°..it scared me though
Yeah, that's why a calibrated set up is so important.

The good news: her metabolic organs have signaled to her stomach and brain that its time to EAT!

Congrats!
 
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