MBD in a Chameleon

Tom

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It IS MBD
And its pretty bad
Some of his bones. Like toe bones, don't even show up under X ray.
He's going to need perfect husbandry and oral calcium

He was a patient of Dr. PARDINI today
At least you know now.

Any idea what caused it? Wrong diet? Lack of UV? Lack of calcium supplementation? Did the person you got it from not know what they were doing?
 

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he looks a bit like “Jimmy Durante” to me..
(the nose part)...
🤣😂🥰
His tail is still black from the blood draw.
But he's active this morning.
He's the only Chameleon I've ever had that drinks water in front of me.
He drinks a lot.
 

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At least you know now.

Any idea what caused it? Wrong diet? Lack of UV? Lack of calcium supplementation? Did the person you got it from not know what they were doing?
It's a reptile shop with a VERY arrogant owner. The same owner that sold me the younger female as a male.
NOT UNDERGROUND REPTILES
He has coiled CFL uvb lamps and I also suspect was cheap on the dusting. (My bad for not looking closer at him before purchase)
YOUTUBE videos show him feeding that same Chameleon (he has a distinctive scar and a VOHEMAR is unusual in general) from several months ago. So this happened on HIS watch.
I've sent him the vets paperwork. He looked at it but hasn't responded.
If he still hasn't offered any help whatsoever in a week, I will start leaving reviews.
A great case of someone that knows everything.....Yet his animals are dying.
I'm pretty pissed.
 
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His tail is still black from the blood draw.
But he's active this morning.
He's the only Chameleon I've ever had that drinks water in front of me.
He drinks a lot.
I am truly happy for the both of you!
You seem to like him a lot .
so lots of love will change this MBD thing soon enough. I pray for him now sooooo...
We have that going for him.?.. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
 

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It's a reptile shop with a VERY arrogant owner. The same owner that sold me the younger female as a male.
NOT UNDERGROUND REPTILES
He has coiled CFL uvb lamps and I also suspect was cheap on the dusting. (My bad for not looking closer at him before purchase)
YOUTUBE videos show him feeding that same Chameleon (he has a distinctive scar and a VOHEMAR is unusual in general) from several months ago. So this happened on HIS watch.
I've sent him the vets paperwork. He looked at it but hasn't responded.
If he still hasn't offered any help whatsoever in a week, I will start leaving reviews.
A great case of someone that knows everything.....Yet his animals are dying.
I'm pretty pissed.
I worry for the animals!!!
How many are STILL in his care!????
 

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I worry for the animals!!!
How many are STILL in his care!????
Dozens
Hundreds
But I shared with him all of the results and the x ray via Email and FB messenger.
What he does with that information?
Who knows.
But now he has factual evidence that his reptile keeping is not working.
Regardless of what he previously thought.
I'm about ready to unleash a campaign of reviews against his business. Both local and national.
 

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It's a reptile shop with a VERY arrogant owner. The same owner that sold me the younger female as a male.
NOT UNDERGROUND REPTILES
He has coiled CFL uvb lamps and I also suspect was cheap on the dusting. (My bad for not looking closer at him before purchase)
YOUTUBE videos show him feeding that same Chameleon (he has a distinctive scar and a VOHEMAR is unusual in general) from several months ago. So this happened on HIS watch.
I've sent him the vets paperwork. He looked at it but hasn't responded.
If he still hasn't offered any help whatsoever in a week, I will start leaving reviews.
A great case of someone that knows everything.....Yet his animals are dying.
I'm pretty pissed.
What a d***.

I hope your negative reviews either make him straighten up and do a better job, or lose his business.
 

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Dozens
Hundreds
But I shared with him all of the results and the x ray via Email and FB messenger.
What he does with that information?
Who knows.
But now he has factual evidence that his reptile keeping is not working.
Regardless of what he previously thought.
I'm about ready to unleash a campaign of reviews against his business. Both local and national.
most of them just throw away your emails and say “whatever” .
It’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t know if a ONE cares about the animal...
Do you really think after so many years his store has been there that when one day YOU walk in and tell him he’s doing it wrong he’s just gonna change???
I wish I didn’t have to say that but...
I had to.
I am so tired of ignorance about animals in “PET “ stores...
It’s just cruel!
And I can’t rescue them all!!!
If I had a farm I would have everything from
Ant eater to Zebra!!!!
These animals CAN NOT SPEAK!
A tortoise can’t even “moan” when in pain!
(I mean even a cat or dog wimpers when in pain...) but a tortoise , a lizard, a snake, a hedge hog, a gecko THEY ALL HAVE NO SOUND TO SCREAM IN PAIN OR FRUSTRATION!! It isn’t fair!
It JUST ISNT FAIR!!!!
I hope God brings ALL OF US back one day as ANIMALS!
THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL WE TRULY UNDERSTAND......☹🤐😭😭

sorry I went off like that... I just felt his pain.
(Your beautiful lizard) what’s his name again?
 

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most of them just throw away your emails and say “whatever” .
It’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t know if a ONE cares about the animal...
Do you really think after so many years his store has been there that when one day YOU walk in and tell him he’s doing it wrong he’s just gonna change???
I wish I didn’t have to say that but...
I had to.
I am so tired of ignorance about animals in “PET “ stores...
It’s just cruel!
And I can’t rescue them all!!!
If I had a farm I would have everything from
Ant eater to Zebra!!!!
These animals CAN NOT SPEAK!
A tortoise can’t even “moan” when in pain!
(I mean even a cat or dog wimpers when in pain...) but a tortoise , a lizard, a snake, a hedge hog, a gecko THEY ALL HAVE NO SOUND TO SCREAM IN PAIN OR FRUSTRATION!! It isn’t fair!
It JUST ISNT FAIR!!!!
I hope God brings ALL OF US back one day as ANIMALS!
THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL WE TRULY UNDERSTAND......☹🤐😭😭

sorry I went off like that... I just felt his pain.
(Your beautiful lizard) what’s his name again?
His name is NO NAME.
Although I'm leaning towards calling him number 3 since his residency is cage #3.
The vast majority of my animals have no names.
He is now spending an hour outside each day in a sunny spot.
Part of his recovery regime
 
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His name is NO NAME.
Although I'm leaning towards calling him number 3 since his residency is cage #3.
The vast majority of my animals have no names.
He is now spending an hour outside each day in a sunny spot.
Part of his recovery regime
you made me both happy and sad all in one post???
Happy he is getting sun ☀
But sad ge has no name.
Can I call him ....🤔......”Jimmy”? 😃
Or some name that exudes strength ???
Please keep me posted on his recovery
I seem to have fallen in love with him .
And now that I know he is ....well... sick..
I kinda love him EVEN MORE!!!!!! ❤🥰
 

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Wow so sorry. Was hoping for better news. Keep after the store owner though. If he doesn't do right by you and the remaining animals, let us know. I will help make this guys life miserable like he does his animals.
Good luck on the rehab. Keep us posted.
 

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Wow so sorry. Was hoping for better news. Keep after the store owner though. If he doesn't do right by you and the remaining animals, let us know. I will help make this guys life miserable like he does his animals.
Good luck on the rehab. Keep us posted.
Thank you Mr. Wellington! 😘😉
 

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Lol Mrs. Not Mr.
And actually it's not my name at all. A street I used to live on
Common mistake so many have made, not a big deal.
my deepest apologies my friend...
Thank you MRS. Wellington! 🤪
Anyone who is willing to kick butt for animals gets my total respect.
Thank you ma’am for your post 😘
 

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But I shared with him all of the results and the x ray via Email and FB messenger.
What he does with that information?
Who knows.
But now he has factual evidence that his reptile keeping is not working.
Regardless of what he previously thought.
I'm about ready to unleash a campaign of reviews against his business. Both local and national.
You should report the business to the local Better Business Bureau; your state Attorney General's Office, which deals with consumer protection issues, and any state offices (Department of Agriculture?) that may have oversight of the sale of live animals.

Some may say they can't do anything about one case unless there's a trend, but at least you can get a paper trail started in the likely event that other people complain in the future, or, so people can search for the business and find your review or complaint if it's sustained.

Our local BBB allows you to leave reviews for businesses on the BBB website.

Good luck.
 
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