male or female?

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turtlelady80

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The second pic I have is supposably a "male". He is 11in long and is humping the other one. The first one pictured is supposably "female" and she is 8 inches. Let me know if I'm right...Ive been wrong in the past and had a short tailed cherryhead that I thought was female until SHE showed me HIS goods...and I waited all summer for this "female" to lay eggs because my males were after "her" and was mounting her all summer. Obviously she didnt lay any lol!! Please help me out on this one!!
 

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I'm sorry, neither picture is very helpful to me. The plastrons appear flat or slightly bulging and the tails look small like females, but the anal scute angles are wide like males.
 
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