emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Rustyiron said:emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Thanks, but some research paper said it's OK and had better to sand it a little. because tortoises in captivity don't get rubbed, scratched or crushed as in the wild. Also, they said the scutes will get thicker and harder, and cause pyramids (due to too much stress to the bone by scutes)
Rustyiron said:emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Thanks, but some research paper said it's OK and had better to sand it a little. because tortoises in captivity don't get rubbed, scratched or crushed as in the wild. Also, they said the scutes will get thicker and harder, and cause pyramids (due to too much stress to the bone by scutes)
Rustyiron said:emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Thanks, but some research paper said it's OK and had better to sand it a little. because tortoises in captivity don't get rubbed, scratched or crushed as in the wild. Also, they said the scutes will get thicker and harder, and cause pyramids (due to too much stress to the bone by scutes)
Rustyiron said:is Sanding the tortoise's Scutes ok?
just like to see them smoother. Can I sand the scutes a little bit? thanks.
maggie3fan said:Rustyiron said:is Sanding the tortoise's Scutes ok?
just like to see them smoother. Can I sand the scutes a little bit? thanks.
I don't mean to start a fight, but why would you ask a question like that and get a good reply from Yvonne and then you argue with her?
That's just the same as Terry saying no disrespect meant towards anyone, then he calls the reply ridiculous. That's terribly insulting no matter how you put it.
Rustyiron said:emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Thanks, but some research paper said it's OK and had better to sand it a little. because tortoises in captivity don't get rubbed, scratched or crushed as in the wild. Also, they said the scutes will get thicker and harder, and cause pyramids (due to too much stress to the bone by scutes)
Madkins007 said:Rustyiron said:emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Thanks, but some research paper said it's OK and had better to sand it a little. because tortoises in captivity don't get rubbed, scratched or crushed as in the wild. Also, they said the scutes will get thicker and harder, and cause pyramids (due to too much stress to the bone by scutes)
Wild tortoises do get a lot of abrasion on their shells. Their most common chosen hides are tight places with sand, roots, trunks, etc. rubbing the shell, which contributes to the 'polished' look we often see in adult wild caught tortoises.
Simulating this in captivity by providing things like coarse bark hides is a great idea, but to sand the very thin and rather delicate scute material would be a trickier thing to do.
If you over-sanded, even a little, on the paper-thin scute you can easily wear right through the dead material and hit the growth layers. Damaging the growth layer interferes with the ability to add new scute material properly. Of course, you can also abrade off the growth layers and actually hit bone, which would expose the tortoise to all kinds of infections and problems.
I hope you can appreciate the difference between a very minor 'rubbing' every day caused by natural interaction and a more aggressive 'sanding' by someone with tools and no real way to know how much to take off.
There is also no solid, proven, agreed-upon theory for the causes and prevention of pyramiding, but keepers with smooth-shelled torts accomplished this by proper cares, diet, hydration, and environmental management- not by sanding the shell of the tortoise.
I would appreciate knowing what this paper was. Based on your comments, it seems to be sharing opinions and theories more than controlled research, but it is always interesting to see other ideas.
Terry Allan Hall said:maggie3fan said:Rustyiron said:is Sanding the tortoise's Scutes ok?
just like to see them smoother. Can I sand the scutes a little bit? thanks.
I don't mean to start a fight, but why would you ask a question like that and get a good reply from Yvonne and then you argue with her?
That's just the same as Terry saying no disrespect meant towards anyone, then he calls the reply ridiculous. That's terribly insulting no matter how you put it.
Just to clarify, I didn't call anyone's reply ridiculous, I specifically called only the theory (that sanding any part of a turtle's anatomy as being beneficial), referenced in the research paper/article in question, as being ridiculous.
Hopefully, that is now understood.
maggie3fan said:Terry Allan Hall said:maggie3fan said:Rustyiron said:is Sanding the tortoise's Scutes ok?
just like to see them smoother. Can I sand the scutes a little bit? thanks.
I don't mean to start a fight, but why would you ask a question like that and get a good reply from Yvonne and then you argue with her?
That's just the same as Terry saying no disrespect meant towards anyone, then he calls the reply ridiculous. That's terribly insulting no matter how you put it.
Just to clarify, I didn't call anyone's reply ridiculous, I specifically called only the theory (that sanding any part of a turtle's anatomy as being beneficial), referenced in the research paper/article in question, as being ridiculous.
Hopefully, that is now understood.
Sorry Terry, I totally misunderstood. I apologize...
Rustyiron said:Madkins007 said:Rustyiron said:emysemys said:No. It would be like sanding the flat part of your fingernail. You would make it thin and cause it to be more tender and maybe even painful.
Thanks, but some research paper said it's OK and had better to sand it a little. because tortoises in captivity don't get rubbed, scratched or crushed as in the wild. Also, they said the scutes will get thicker and harder, and cause pyramids (due to too much stress to the bone by scutes)
Wild tortoises do get a lot of abrasion on their shells. Their most common chosen hides are tight places with sand, roots, trunks, etc. rubbing the shell, which contributes to the 'polished' look we often see in adult wild caught tortoises.
Simulating this in captivity by providing things like coarse bark hides is a great idea, but to sand the very thin and rather delicate scute material would be a trickier thing to do.
If you over-sanded, even a little, on the paper-thin scute you can easily wear right through the dead material and hit the growth layers. Damaging the growth layer interferes with the ability to add new scute material properly. Of course, you can also abrade off the growth layers and actually hit bone, which would expose the tortoise to all kinds of infections and problems.
I hope you can appreciate the difference between a very minor 'rubbing' every day caused by natural interaction and a more aggressive 'sanding' by someone with tools and no real way to know how much to take off.
There is also no solid, proven, agreed-upon theory for the causes and prevention of pyramiding, but keepers with smooth-shelled torts accomplished this by proper cares, diet, hydration, and environmental management- not by sanding the shell of the tortoise.
I would appreciate knowing what this paper was. Based on your comments, it seems to be sharing opinions and theories more than controlled research, but it is always interesting to see other ideas.
You are right, thanks!
I meant sanding, was really just minor rubbing a little with fine sand paper daily to similate the abrasion.