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The smaller female Forsten's going at some mulberry.
Eric had imports, not sure what you intend to mean by "fresh". All of the ones I have are imports, to many higgly piggly record keepers out there to trust what generation or what parents are responsible for captive bred animals available, then others want to keep their source private.
Studbooks in north America are for the most part kept by zookeepers who don't seem inclined to have private participation. Maybe for good reason or maybe not, I don't really know. Blah Blah.
I loose an animal once in while due to poor judgment, but for the most part wild caught is only different from captive bred by the treatment it has had along the path to getting to you, not the wild or captive part so much.
Ben partakes in it. But has a background in zoological profession at a point in time of his life. The keeper for forstenii and elongate is at the Houston zoo I believe unless she went elsewhere.Sorry, I didn't mean offense by "fresh". Just to mean that they were recently brought in. I think Ben Forrest (did I spell his last name right?) maintains the studbook for the species. Do you have yours listed?
Thats my opinion as well. There is no reason for them to be unhealthy right out to the wild. Only when the importers leave them sitting for two months without proper care and allow them to breed parasites....Just my opinion, but it certainly seems logical. There is no reason for them to be unhealthy.
The ones I'm thinking of getting, I know the guy, he takes great care of his animals. They've been in captivity for almost a month now.
Well, I actually wrote a studbook when I worked at the Philly Zoo. Ben declined an attempt to segway my interest into the forsteni book, or he DID forward my interest and it was not responded to. Either way, I have several species managed in studbooks and there is no "portal' for the AZA (which manages studbooks for the IUCN in north America) to receive interested parties. I suppose I should find whoever is running the CAG these days and offer my interest to them. The Manouria that Yvonne and I have are in the studbook, but that studbook keeper has become intractable now. They were put in the studbook back when Karla A. from the Minnesota Zoo ran it. I went to studbook school with her and she and I sorta thought we were in the minority then, just seems to have become more true. Frank and Kate Slavens (sp) ran a registry for many years, but most of you probably don't know who that is or what I'm talking about. I keep "studbook" quality records of my animals, so that works at least while they are under my roof.Ben partakes in it. But has a background in zoological profession at a point in time of his life. The keeper for forstenii and elongate is at the Houston zoo I believe unless she went elsewhere.
Thank you Ben.Here is the most recent news in regards to the AZA regional studbook.
I was contacted a few weeks back from Christine Light, Collection Manager at Behler Chelonian Center. She has taken the title of Regional Studbook Keeper, Forsten's Tortoise since it's vacancy about one year ago.