Identifying the (sub)species

[Kvantex]

Hi guys, I am new to this forum so hello to all. I got new pair of tortoises, I'm pretty sure they're Herman's tortoises but not certain about the subspecies. I would like to add some new members to the hord and I dont want subspecies to mix, and I would appreciate the help to identify them. I included multiple pictures of both.

Since tinypic stopped working it is hard to add pictures appropriately so please have patience.

 

[Markw84]

Your tortoises look to me to be hybrids. They look closest to a dalmation Hermann's.

I'm not certain and still learning a lot of the subtleties of the Testudos so let's ask @HermanniChris who is the true expert with these tortoises.

 

[wellington]

An fyi, tortoises should not be housed in pairs. One male to 2 or more females in an appropriate size enclosure, very large, with multiple hides, food and water locations and sight barriers should work.

 

[HermanniChris]

Your female is a pure Dalmatian (T. h. hercegovinensis) and your male looks to be an intergrade between T. h. hercegovinensis and T. h. boettgeri, this occurs naturally in areas like Montenegro.

 

[Kvantex]

Thank you all for help. They have been purchased recently and are the first of many. I am in process of remaking and expanding the living area outside and have been scanning the market for the last few weeks for females but didn't have luck so far.