I can't wait to have healthcare reform so I can pay for this woman's medical care:

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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1027360/woman-aims-to-become-worlds-fattest

Health Care in the USA is supposedly going to make some progress, either approved or denied in the US Senate this week.

I personally do not want any changes. I pay for private insurance, and I want to keep it, without paying any more.

However, I do not like having to wait 4-6 hours in the emergency room, but if its truely a emergency, they usually take you right away. its if not an emergency, then you should go to an urgent care center, or see your primary doctor.

what does everyone think? our elected officals are suppose to vote for what the people they represent want, not their own beliefs, or what would benefit the few.
 

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Oh man, don't get me (Tim) started! The supposed reform, if passed, will make health care a disaster. My big question is, who is going to care for the additional millions of people dumped in the an already very stressed system? The reason you wait 4-6 hours in the ER is because 75% or more of those visits, that take up all the time and resources, are visits that should occur at a doctors office. Very few are ture emergencies. Why do so many people go the the local ER for non-emergencies? Because they don't have to pay for it. And now they want to add millioins to that mess? Those ER visits will only get longer.
 

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I would really like more information than what I'm getting from the politicians. Sure, they can say it will be better, but show me some data, explain how it all works in detail. In short, prove to me your new system is better than what I have now and it won't impact me more than now. I'm not seeing this information nor can I easily find it online.

The fact is you (and I) are already paying for this lady, as well as plenty of others including illegals. We'll still be paying for them either way.

I'm open to change, but I want to see proof before jumping in. It seems like this change is one he has been pushing hard since the beginning, which makes me wary when we're talking about politicians.
 

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Not really on topic, but that woman is just plain stupid! She loves to eat and is using her "goal" as an excuse to stuff herself.
 

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RE: I can't wait to have healthcare reform so I can pay for this woman's medical ca

emysemys said:
Not really on topic, but that woman is just plain stupid! She loves to eat and is using her "goal" as an excuse to stuff herself.

and im sure it will boost ratings on her website... i cant believe people pay to watch that woman eat herself to death.
 

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A friend of mine is an ER doctor in Boston. She called me one day to told me had just worked a 12 hour shift and hadn't seen one sick patient. Most of them were all drunk or homeless with no where to go. They come in and say they are having chest pains, so the hospital cannot turn them away. They get a warm bed and a meal for the night. Other "emergencies" involved a broken toe and a baby with a cold.
 

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United States Post Office, Public Education, Medicaid, Medicare, VA Hospitals, Social Security....

What makes you think Gov't run health care won't thrive, make or at least save us money, live up the the hype and promises, be efficient, be effective, be high quality, be highly accountable, be driven by special interest groups, etc etc etc.....
 

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RE: I can't wait to have healthcare reform so I can pay for this woman's medical ca

chadk said:
United States Post Office, Public Education, Medicaid, Medicare, VA Hospitals, Social Security....

What makes you think Gov't run health care won't thrive, make or at least save us money, live up the the hype and promises, be efficient, be effective, be high quality, be highly accountable, be driven by special interest groups, etc etc etc.....

Touche'!!
 

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It's true "You can't fix stupid"! [ they have to want to be educated ] And "they" don't like to be held accountable. [ they would have to admit to 'greed' ]

How stupid is it to listen to those lobbyist' [ for the health insurance and drug industries ] that will say anything to protect those they lobby for.. and get PAID by?
Answers please?

On the other hand -

It's also true that we really haven't heard or seen the actual/true policies in the "Health Reform" bill. Have you really listened to BOTH sides of the story.. objectively? Do you honestly like paying the 'inflated' premiums and prices for drugs.. WITHOUT insurance?
Answers please?

Sounds to me.. from what you've [ most ] all said - the current health system in fact - pays for stupid/greedy people.. do we need to change that? It costs us ALL some way or another.
Answers please?

Be objective and honest(?).

NEXT...

Terry K

BTW.. while writing this.. look at the demonstrations of honesty and objectivity(?)......
 

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Look at every country that has tried it and you will get an idea about how good it works.Then add in the fact that the US government will be running it.A recipe for a debacle and a disaster at it's very best.
 

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I don't think there's any doubt that something needs to change with the way healthcare is managed in our country, but whoever thought it was a good idea to try to make one big sweeping overhaul was out of their mind. Historically we rarely ever make big changes, just lots of little ones over time. That's why all the nuts on either side of the spectrum are constantly arguing that the other side is trying to start a slippery slope towards fascism/socialism (take your pick). They should start by passing little bits that don't really cost money but help the consumer... say like requiring doctors to post prices for procedures ahead of time, or at least provide written estimates the way that automobile repair places must.

IMO, I think the very first change should be to completely eliminate doctors/hospitals/etc from civil liability for malpractice. Making medical malpractice solely a criminal offense would help consumers by reducing doctors' overhead cost (malpractice insurance can set doctors back 150K or more a year per dr.), passing the savings on to consumers, and getting truly bad medical practitioners out of the field. At the same time, it'd protect doctors from erroneous legal problems because in order to get a criminal conviction (or even a grand jury to accept the charges) the prosecutor in the case would have to prove that whatever the doctor did would have resulted poorly beyond a shadow of a doubt (usually read 98 or 99% of the time amongst legal scholars)... which would have to be backed up by expert testimony, i.e. other doctors. And assuming doctors are really more interested in the health of their patients then they are in protecting some sort of doctor's boy's club, good doctors would have less to worry about then they currently do. And perhaps the penalty for the really minor cases, good doctors making human error, have them assigned to do community service... read that as work on medical cases the government would otherwise have to pay for, like medicare, emergency visits for the sniffles, etc. Criminalizing malpractice should also reduce the government's administrative court costs because I would imagine that there would be far less criminal complaints then there are civil, since you actually need a modicum of proof to bring a criminal charge.
 

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+1. We need reform. But this 2,300+ page monstrocity that most of the folks voting on will never actually read or understand (as long as they get their pork and special interest groups happy) is not the solution. Raising taxes and expanding gov't is the opposite of what needs to happen if we want to survive as a country.
http://budget.house.gov/doc-library/FY2010/03.15.2010_reconciliation2010.PDF



Oh, and chairman, I think you have it wrong when you say fascism and socialism are ploar opposites. In both cases, you have a small, 'elite' group seeking as much control over business and people as they can get. You have a representative democracy and\or republic closer to the middle, then a true democracy as you approach total anarachy way at the other end.
 

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whoever thought it was a good idea to try to make one big sweeping overhaul was out of their mind. Historically we rarely ever make big changes, just lots of little ones over time.

Yeah Mike.. they can't decide what's big and what's little.. WHEN! Who's greedy with political agendas.. and who's really wanting to help and be held accountable?

Either way we ALL will participate.. or allow our 'emotions' to make us sick............ etc., etc.

NERD

BTW.. weren't you going to call and chat 'hingebacks'?
 

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Chad you amaze me how you come across stuff like this. Too funny! Had to post it to my Facebook account. :D Lets hope this health care bill dies.
 

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We're the wealthiest country in the world, spend more money on healthcare than any other industrialized country, come in 37th in the world for actual "health" measures, and cannot "afford" to insure all our citizens? It's not exactly something to be proud of. Politicians on both side of the aisle agree that our current system, left as is, will bankrupt the country.

Did anyone see the television segment on Hawaii's 40-year-old socialized medicine program that the vast majority of Hawaiians love? That Rush Limbaugh loved till he found out it was something he was supposed to be philosophically opposed to?

I don't think health care should be a for-profit business. We're the only ones who have for-profit healthcare and it's pretty obvious who's profiting and who's not.
 

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How about some deregulation? Less government, Fewer laws. Let the free market be free. That would solve a lot right there. If It is not in the Constitution I don't want it.
 

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RE: I can't wait to have healthcare reform so I can pay for this woman's medical ca

Stephanie Logan said:
We're the wealthiest country in the world, spend more money on healthcare than any other industrialized country, come in 37th in the world for actual "health" measures, and cannot "afford" to insure all our citizens? It's not exactly something to be proud of. Politicians on both side of the aisle agree that our current system, left as is, will bankrupt the country.

Did anyone see the television segment on Hawaii's 40-year-old socialized medicine program that the vast majority of Hawaiians love? That Rush Limbaugh loved till he found out it was something he was supposed to be philosophically opposed to?

I don't think health care should be a for-profit business. We're the only ones who have for-profit healthcare and it's pretty obvious who's profiting and who's not.

Wealthiest country in the world? It is an illusion right now. We have the potential, and at times, we are, but right now, we are living a lie and heading for a big crash (like dot coms, housing market, banks, etc). We can't sustain the out of control spending. I heard we are sending a billion a day to China in just interest payments...

But don't worry, Obama has a plan to 'cut spending' ;)
http://www.wimp.com/budgetcuts/

"For profit" is a great way to go if you have an environment that allows for, and encourage,s competition and creativity.

And you can be sure big money companies and lobbyists are in those back rooms working out deals left and right to be sure they come out on top...

Too bad he isn't living up to the transparency promises he made over and over:
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1152ap_us_sunshine_open_government.html?source=mypi
WASHINGTON -- Federal agencies haven't lived up to President Barack Obama's promise of a more open government, increasing their use of legal exemptions to keep records secret during his first year in office.

An Associated Press review of Freedom of Information Act reports filed by 17 major agencies found that the use of nearly every one of the law's nine exemptions to withhold information from the public rose in fiscal year 2009, which ended last October.

Among the most frequently used exemptions: one that lets the government hide records that detail its internal decision-making. Obama specifically directed agencies to stop using that exemption so frequently, but that directive appears to have been widely ignored.

Major agencies cited that exemption at least 70,779 times during the 2009 budget year, up from 47,395 times during President George W. Bush's final full budget year, according to annual FOIA reports filed by federal agencies. Obama was president for nine months in the 2009 period.
 

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I thought we were talking about healthcare.

I believe healthcare should be a right, not a privilege.

America does not have the best healthcare system in the world, but we spend more on it than any other country. There's lots of room for improvement.
 
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