Huge leopard tortoises

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Check out these enormous leopard tortoises!

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Wow. Why are they stacking them?

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I'm not sure if this is a scam. I've seen that very same picture before, a very long time ago in an article showing how big leopard tortoises used to get, and the article included pictures of empty leopard shells. I can't remember the article name or when/where I saw it. But it wasn't a "for sale" article.
 

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Those are Ethiopian leopards. They get huge. They are not available in the states. That picture is reportedly from a keeper in Spain that managed to get some. They are rumored to be occasionally available in Europe, and supposedly they are somewhat delicate. Knowing where they come from, I wonder of they were not kept hot enough.
 

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How does something like that happen? Is it like mini dogs where small adults were bread to produce small babies and then eventually the whole gene pool was just smaller tortoises?
 

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It does seem kinda funny that the only one you can see any legs on, is the one he's holding. All the others, only the shell. No heads, feet, legs, tail, just shell. Hmmmm
 

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His name is David Sanchez. He is the guy who imported all those Ethiopian/Somalian leopards in '05. I believe he sells hatchlings from his site. I think he's in Madrid. There are several youtube videos of his.
 

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Interesting. So you are saying his bloodline is available in the US?
 

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theelectraco said:
How does something like that happen? Is it like mini dogs where small adults were bread to produce small babies and then eventually the whole gene pool was just smaller tortoises?

No, it's just naturally occurring variability within a species. Some populations/races/subspecies have just evolved to be bigger than others. This could be due to a variety of factors, including climate, food availability, predation pressure, sexual selection, or just random mutation.

Note: In some other cases, human hunting has shrunken wild animals. Sperm whales, which are still huge, don't get to be as enormous as they used to, because all the giants were hunted out. Elephants today tend to have smaller tusks, again because the ones with the huge tusks were shot for trophies and removed from the gene pool. And so on. But these leopard tortoises just happen to be from a population that produces very large individuals.

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It does seem kinda funny that the only one you can see any legs on, is the one he's holding. All the others, only the shell. No heads, feet, legs, tail, just shell. Hmmmm

You can see the left hind leg of the one on the far right, too.
 

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Epic! Notice the fog. Hot and humid in tropical Ethiopia? Check.

Okay, no leopards allowed in to US. But, wondering, has anyone quadruple-checked (you know how laws can be)to be sure it says from everywhere in the world? Or what if it says just from Africa? Maybe the tick is only present in African animals. That would/may mean that captive bred babies from Spain can come in. Yay! Just saying.
 

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BeeBee*BeeLeaves said:
Epic! Notice the fog. Hot and humid in tropical Ethiopia? Check.

Okay, no leopards allowed in to US. But, wondering, has anyone quadruple-checked (you know how laws can be)to be sure it says from everywhere in the world? Or what if it says just from Africa? Maybe the tick is only present in African animals. That would/may mean that captive bred babies from Spain can come in. Yay! Just saying.

Yes, It will not happen. USDA has them on a ban list, along with sulcatas, and Bells hinge-backs. You can Import the eggs in. But good luck finding anyone to ship you some eggs.
 
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