Help with I.D. on my baby Hermans!

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Hello everyone I bought what was said to be a baby western hermans from my local pet store about one week ago. After doing some more research on these forums I realize now that it might be an eastern hermans seeing as they are much more common. Either way its fine with me, I just wanted a happy and healthy tort...which is what I got. :) Just curious is all. I have no idea what the sex is either and I don't know if its to early to tell or not seeing as how the lil guy is less than 1yr old still. I only have one descent quality pic as of right now on my phone. I will post more tonight when I get home. I would greatly appreciate any help with an I.D!

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Anyone have any idea if its a western or eastern hermanns based off of the one small pic I posted?

I love my baby C.B. Hermann Tortoise!
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Can you get a pic of the plastron(Underside) That photo will certainly be more distinguishable to determine which species(sub) it is.
 

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Awesome, thanks for your reply! I will definitely post some more pics of the little guy tonight when I get home from work. I will get one of the plastron like you said as well!

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I can tell you right now just by seeing that photo that you do not have a Western Hermann's. However, in order to determine if it is Eastern or Dalmatian, we will need a clear plastron shot.
 

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Ohh ok, thanks for filling me in Chris! I tried to get a pic of the little guy tonight when I got home from work. But he was all burrowed in for the night and my gf wouldn't let me bugg him. So I guess I will have to wait until tmrw now. What do you mean by Dalmation though?

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It is a third subspecies; eastern, western and dalmation :)
Go to hermanni Chris's threads about identifying subspecies; he's got some really good pics and info...
 

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Thanks Jax! I will definitely have to check out that thread by Chris if I can find it. Lol! I already read his threads about how to tell the diff between eastern and western herm and I saw his diagrams. Very helpful! However I didn't see anything about a Dalmation sub species.

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I wish I had more photos on my phone of babies and plastron shots for that matter, but here is a baby Dalmatian:
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And here is a baby Western for comparison:
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Wow, ok...thanks for the visuals Chris! You can definitely tell the difference between the two even without a plastron shot. The shell on that dalmation looks much lighter than the shell on the western. I will for sure get a plastron shot tonight bc I'm getting anxious now to find out what he/she is. Thanks again for all of your help Chris! :)

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Here are some more pics of Shell-E that I took tonight. Hopefully these will help to I.D. better! :)

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Thought so... thanks for the positive I.D. Chris! Can you tell the sex at this point at all, or is it still to early?

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It's way too early. You can make guesses based on what you see,but more times than often, that all changes. It's really best to just wait. I can't tell you how many babies have been inaccurately sexed for me.
 

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Ok, gotcha! Well thanks again for all of your help and insight Chris. :) And once again just to clarify you said that it was an eastern and you put a square symbol. Did you mean to say eastern box or eastern hermanns?

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No I attempted to put a smiley face after the word eastern...guess that didn't work out too well. Eastern Hermanns.
 

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Ohh ok...lol! Thanks for clarifying. He/She is about the size of an egg rnow. Do you have any idea what an estimate on age would be for the little guy?

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Thanks Terry! Just trying to figure out an approximate age for for him/her now. :)

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Again something tough to say but he's definitely young probably only a few months but possibly up to a year.
 
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