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Help my New Aldabra don't poop since arrived 5 days ago.

Discussion in 'Aldabra tortoises' started by taufanss, Jul 6, 2018.

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How to make Aldabra Poop ? Whats wrong with my aldabra ?

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  1. C. Nelson

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    WOW! Good news! That poop looks very dry!
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    Please let me say your English is impeccable! And I bet you speak several other languages too! Best wishes to you and your torts. You’ll find help here.
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    I am not sure about large tortoises. But my little guy ate his own poop. Until I scooped it up before Opo got to it. Maybe the previous owner didn't feed them enough.
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    Yep, tortoises will do that. Not all and not because they weren't fed right. Just because as far as we know.
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    Btw, how are they doing? Have they drank yet or gone into their hide?
    If you don't have to worry about any large predators, it's okay for them too sleep outside.
    I'm not sure how you would get the ceiling on that hide raised if it's cement. You could get a cement saw/blade and cut a big square in it. Then make a wood frame to fit just larger then that square and make a taller roof.
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    With your climate there is probably little reason to import hay, etc. While your new lawn is growing I would think it most feasible to periodically aquire cut grass or non-toxic leaves from a pestacide/herbacide free area as supplement. Large tortoises prefer cut grass to be long rather than finely chopped. Appropriate grasses are ideal forage. No benefit to dried grasses (hay) if you can provide fresh grasses or non-toxic tree/ vine leaves. Hopefully you will be ultimately be able to grow enough grass with your lawn to provide their forage with minimal or no forage supplementation. While supplemental forage is needed, it may be helpful to find what individuals with horses in your area are using as sources of supplemental forage. There is considerable information available online regarding nutritional content of grasses used as forage for horses.

    I think your house and pond will be fine for present and they will use the house when it is their idea. It may take some time. I usually leave water dripping at the water bowels for the first few days after moving toroises but they quickly find freshwater sources when needed. You may have to bribe them to the house area with food initially but I would not be in any hurry to do so.

    You do not have do do supplemental feedings daily although we do. Some zoological facilities may only feed 3 days per week.

    Manually forced soaking, unless needed for medical reasons, may cause more stresses than benefit. My tortoises, if forcefully handled, let me know they are displeased with me for about 3 months ( not upset with anyone else, just me, the bad guy who made them do something against their will.). Therefore, I find it useful to bribe them with favorite foods, attention, neck rubs, etc. when moving or handling tortoises for medical reasons. It is rare that a tortoise must be handled against its will.

    Remember they tend to have a very long gut transient time (20 days or so) so changes in diet are not immediately reflected in stool. Forage (grasses or grass substitutes) should be the primary food source which is slowly processed in the large intestine.
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    Thank you..

    Thank you.. I’ll scout them tommorow.. Today, I just back from out of town business trip.

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    I am reported.. They still haven’t drink and haven’t gone into their hide. I’ll wait for several weeks, if they haven’t come to the hide.. I’ll redo the hide before rain season in September.

    They always stay inside the sea sand pond under the bonsai tree. Its their favorite place, they even slept near there.

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    I have thought that they have given less food than their daily need, so they can’t poop routinely.

    Thus, start from thursday we bought weighing scale and weight the diet for each 3kg mix chopped hay and mustard green (bok coy) with finely shredded carrots and they finished almost everything.

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    However yesterday, I have been reported that they left around total 3,3 kg (the tray weight 0,5kg) of wasteage.

    Thus, for today I ordered to reduce the diet into 2,5 kg for each and see how much wastage they left tommorow. I really want to know estimate how much daily intake they need.
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    Wew... Thank you so much.. Learned alot...
    I think growing own grass is really a good idea.. I think I will be able to grow our own grasses for my tortoises. Actually my front yards is bigger than my backyard where the tortoise live, it has 1.400 m2 full sprinkler intallment.

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    I will redo the grass into bermuda grass, orchards, and fescue for the shade (under tree) area. May be it will take around 3 months to be established. Later I think it can be cut as needed. In the meanwhile I will search nearest horse ranch to source for the hay, they may have alternatives fresh grasses which edible for the tortoise.

    Ok.. I will install some sprinkler near the pond tommorow. And I will not forced them anymore. I don’t want them to be picky to me. hehehe.

    Anyway, really appreciate so much for your input..
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    Your efforts to feed your tortoises all that is required is commendable but I think you are feeding far more than they can consistantly metabolize on a daily basis at this time. Your mixed salad appears quite nice. I am suggesting you are feeding far more than they will be able to eat on a daily basis.

    You indicated your female tortoise weighed approximately 25 kg and your male approximately 35 kg. Consider if they were mammals (horse) and had a mammalian metabolic rate, they ideally would eat about 1% of their weight in grasses (Dry Matter) daily. However, they are not mammals and their metabolic rate is slower. If your male was a mature horse on pasture, this would translate to .35 kg of dry matter. Most grasses are 25-30% dry matter, lettuce and fruits less. Assuming your diet is conservativly calculated at only 25% dry matter, this would be 1 kg and 1.4 kg daily of your diet if a mammal. However, your tortoises are not mammals and have a lower metabolic rate and food requirement.

    Please remember these are reptiles and have a slower metabolic rate than humans. Although temperature dependent, their metabolic rate is probably only about 1/4 of your metabolic rate. As a reptile's body size gets larger, their metabolic rate slows. According to the Standard Metabolic tables (which may be high for giant tortoises), a 30 kg tortoise at 30 degrees C (86 degrees F) would have a standard metabolic rate of 439 kcal per day. Extreame acivities and other factors are unlikely to raise this by a factor of more than twice that. Your tortoises are likely to be relatively sedentary, Remember food sits in the hindgut of these animals for days, ferments, and the soluble sugars and protein is absorbed as the crude fiber is metabolized. It is a slow process. They probably have a minimum crude fiber componet requirement of their diet of about 14% and the fermented fiber produces about 2 kcal of metabolizable energy per gram. This is in additon to the calories absorbed from protein, soluble carbohydrate and fat of the food. They are getting pleanty of calories.

    I suspect your tortoises have eaten their fill and are slowly processing what they have eaten. You will find they are unable to regularly eat all of the quanities you are providing.

    Depending on te calcium content of your water, etc., you may want to consider supplementing their diet with small amounts of calcium carbonate (ground limestone - food grade purchased in bulk and kept dry) periodically mixed or dustd on their food. Depending on how hard your water is, this may be academic and not needed. You would not need supplemental Vitamin D3 as your animals recieve plenty of sun.

    You may wish to consider periodic use of a multivitamin supplement mixed with food (not put in the water). A human (child's?) multiviamin preparation used twice a week might be the most pratical (freshness, completeness). You may can accomplish same in many other ways as well.

    It is not unusual for giant tortoises to eat heavily when goodies are present then eat little the following day(s). We clean up uneaten foods. Hope this is of help.
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