Big sulcata together with small sulcata = Bad for the small one

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Big sulcata ( s ) together with smaller sulcata ( s ) raised together, is bad for the smaller one, that`s what I learned from this forum. That`s what everybody told, and I have to say: You are so right !
My short story:
I bought 3 sulcata hatchlings from a breeder and they thrive and grow very well, but I wanted a fourth sully.
I found one from another breeder that is nearly the same age as my, but it is smaller. I bought the smaller one and put them all together in one enclosure.

The first time I saw no problems and believe me, I watch my torts well. The small tort grew and gained in weight too, but the big ones gain more.

After 3 months together I saw the three bigger sullies ( they are now 15 months old ) crawel over the smaller one, or push her away, like they would do it with a stone.

Food and eating was no problem because they get enough at several places, so that the smaller sully can eat too. But the bigger ones often disturb her while she was eating and one day I recognize that the small tort was getting slower. She often sat in a corner and moved not much and I know what was the reason for the change in her behavior.
She was not really sick but repressed by the bigger torts.
I took her and gave her a enclosure of her own and after two days later her behavior changed again. She was the lucky little tort that she was when she came to me. She is moving around and eating well. She loves to sit in her water dish where no one disturb her any longer.

The three big ones still have no problems with each other but I watch them attentively.
I wrote this for new tort owners that wants to raise more than one young sulcata tortoise.
Have always a close watch on your group of tortoises that one animal does not have to suffer under the oppression from the others.

I have learned my "lesson" soon.


Sabine

P.S. Thanks to all experiences sulcata tortoise keepers here for your warnings. With your experience I was able to see that my little sully was suffering from the bigger ones.
@Tom
@wellington
@Big Charlie
@Cowboy_Ken
@Grandpa Turtle 144
@Yvonne G
@Markw84

..... and the others I forgot !


Here is a picture of the small sully ( left ) sitting together with two bigger ones: DSCN1898.JPG
 

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Thanks for this Sabine. We always warn of the problems of pairs, but sometimes the message that groups need to be of torts of similar size is missed.

I'm glad your little one is able to thrive now :)

Thank you Linda for putting my thread on the top of the sulcata section.
 

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I'm not only glad you were aware so you could catch problems quickly, but that you did this thread so others can learn that what is said on this forum is only for the betterment of the tortoises an and to save the owners from grief.

Thank you for your praise. I like to share the observations I have with my torts.
 

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Update:
My little sulcata tort "Shari" is doing well.
Since she is alone in her enclosure she is more active, baths often in her water bowl ( I soak her additionally ) and she gained 30 gram in
20 days.
What a success !
 

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Here is an update on my 4 sully torts.
Since I kept my smallest tort alone she was thriving and growing well. She was soaking herself for hours in her water dish ( near the heat lamp ). I feared that she had kidney problems caused of the dry enclosure from the breeder, but she made it and is now growing, eating and gaining weight very well.
Because of this I am going to dare the attempt and put her back to the 3 bigger sullies and it works ! She is active, eating, roaming the enclosure and seems to have no longer fear being together with the bigger ones.
The time she was alone she made a growth spurt and gained 200 gr in one month. I will watch her weight too.
I observe the group very close but it seems to work.

Here are the newest pics of them.


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I observe the group very close but it seems to work.
Here are the newest pics of them.

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Here is an update on my 4 sully torts.
Since I kept my smallest tort alone she was thriving and growing well. She was soaking herself for hours in her water dish ( near the heat lamp ). I feared that she had kidney problems caused of the dry enclosure from the breeder, but she made it and is now growing, eating and gaining weight very well.
Because of this I am going to dare the attempt and put her back to the 3 bigger sullies and it works ! She is active, eating, roaming the enclosure and seems to have no longer fear being together with the bigger ones.
The time she was alone she made a growth spurt and gained 200 gr in one month. I will watch her weight too.
I observe the group very close but it seems to work.

Here are the newest pics of them.


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I observe the group very close but it seems to work.
Here are the newest pics of them.

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They look beautiful Bee! Such smooth shells.
 

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They look beautiful Bee! Such smooth shells.
Thank you very much. With the good advices from TFO I was able to keep them right. I have to thank TFO and all the members and their aknowledge !
 

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Ok I seperated my The big from sml Sulcatas in the same enclosure
At first I thought theI lit one was looking for Dorey is the big one this morning they both were eating separately
It looks like their both happy campers
Thank u
Big sulcata ( s ) together with smaller sulcata ( s ) raised together, is bad for the smaller one, that`s what I learned from this forum. That`s what everybody told, and I have to say: You are so right !
My short story:
I bought 3 sulcata hatchlings from a breeder and they thrive and grow very well, but I wanted a fourth sully.
I found one from another breeder that is nearly the same age as my, but it is smaller. I bought the smaller one and put them all together in one enclosure.

The first time I saw no problems and believe me, I watch my torts well. The small tort grew and gained in weight too, but the big ones gain more.

After 3 months together I saw the three bigger sullies ( they are now 15 months old ) crawel over the smaller one, or push her away, like they would do it with a stone.

Food and eating was no problem because they get enough at several places, so that the smaller sully can eat too. But the bigger ones often disturb her while she was eating and one day I recognize that the small tort was getting slower. She often sat in a corner and moved not much and I know what was the reason for the change in her behavior.
She was not really sick but repressed by the bigger torts.
I took her and gave her a enclosure of her own and after two days later her behavior changed again. She was the lucky little tort that she was when she came to me. She is moving around and eating well. She loves to sit in her water dish where no one disturb her any longer.

The three big ones still have no problems with each other but I watch them attentively.
I wrote this for new tort owners that wants to raise more than one young sulcata tortoise.
Have always a close watch on your group of tortoises that one animal does not have to suffer under the oppression from the others.

I have learned my "lesson" soon.


Sabine

P.S. Thanks to all experiences sulcata tortoise keepers here for your warnings. With your experience I was able to see that my little sully was suffering from the bigger ones.
@Tom
@wellington
@Big Charlie
@Cowboy_Ken
@Grandpa Turtle 144
@Yvonne G
@Markw84

..... and the others I forgot !


Here is a picture of the small sully ( left ) sitting together with two bigger ones: View attachment 220063
my
 

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Big S ( s ) together with smaller sulcata ( s ) raised together, is bad for the smaller one, that`s what I learned from this forum. That`s what everybody told, and I have to say: You are so right !
My short story:
I bought 3 sulcata hatchlings from a breeder and they thrive and grow very well, but I wanted a fourth sully.
I found one from another breeder that is nearly the same age as my, but it is smaller. I bought the smaller one and put them all together in one enclosure.

The first time I saw no problems and believe me, I watch my torts well. The small tort grew and gained in weight too, but the big ones gain more.

After 3 months together I saw the three bigger sullies ( they are now 15 months old ) crawel over the smaller one, or push her away, like they would do it with a stone.

Food and eating was no problem because they get enough at several places, so that the smaller sully can eat too. But the bigger ones often disturb her while she was eating and one day I recognize that the small tort was getting slower. She often sat in a corner and moved not much and I know what was the reason for the change in her behavior.
She was not really sick but repressed by the bigger torts.
I took her and gave her a enclosure of her own and after two days later her behavior changed again. She was the lucky little tort that she was when she came to me. She is moving around and eating well. She loves to sit in her water dish where no one disturb her any longer.

The three big ones still have no problems with each other but I watch them attentively.
I wrote this for new tort owners that wants to raise more than one young sulcata tortoise.
Have always a close watch on your group of tortoises that one animal does not have to suffer under the oppression from the others.

I have learned my "lesson" soon.


Sabine

P.S. Thanks to all experiences sulcata tortoise keepers here for your warnings. With your experience I was able to see that my little sully was suffering from the bigger ones.
@Tom
@wellington
@Big Charlie
@Cowboy_Ken
@Grandpa Turtle 144
@Yvonne G
@Markw84

..... and the others I forgot !


Here is a picture of the small sully ( left ) sitting together with two bigger ones: View attachment 220063
Here is Donna and here is
Big sulcata ( s ) together with smaller sulcata ( s ) raised together, is bad for the smaller one, that`s what I learned from this forum. That`s what everybody told, and I have to say: You are so right !
My short story:
I bought 3 sulcata hatchlings from a breeder and they thrive and grow very well, but I wanted a fourth sully.
I found one from another breeder that is nearly the same age as my, but it is smaller. I bought the smaller one and put them all together in one enclosure.

The first time I saw no problems and believe me, I watch my torts well. The small tort grew and gained in weight too, but the big ones gain more.

After 3 months together I saw the three bigger sullies ( they are now 15 months old ) crawel over the smaller one, or push her away, like they would do it with a stone.

Food and eating was no problem because they get enough at several places, so that the smaller sully can eat too. But the bigger ones often disturb her while she was eating and one day I recognize that the small tort was getting slower. She often sat in a corner and moved not much and I know what was the reason for the change in her behavior.
She was not really sick but repressed by the bigger torts.
I took her and gave her a enclosure of her own and after two days later her behavior changed again. She was the lucky little tort that she was when she came to me. She is moving around and eating well. She loves to sit in her water dish where no one disturb her any longer.

The three big ones still have no problems with each other but I watch them attentively.
I wrote this for new tort owners that wants to raise more than one young sulcata tortoise.
Have always a close watch on your group of tortoises that one animal does not have to suffer under the oppression from the others.

I have learned my "lesson" soon.


Sabine

P.S. Thanks to all experiences sulcata tortoise keepers here for your warnings. With your experience I was able to see that my little sully was suffering from the bigger ones.
@Tom
@wellington
@Big Charlie
@Cowboy_Ken
@Grandpa Turtle 144
@Yvonne G
@Markw84

..... and the others I forgot !


Here is a picture of the small sully ( left ) sitting together with two bigger ones: View attachment 220063
 

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Here is one long tortoise hehe
I have separate the enclosure among two everything seem fine so far so good Thank u learning A3CF1FD6-840E-49E9-BBD2-530F004D95AA.jpeg
 
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