Neal said:Jacqui said:
It's time for us fat folks to get off the couch. Who's with me?
Not me! It's too darn hot to move.
Ummm 'sides, your not fat.Affordable healthcare act upheld
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Not me! It's too darn hot to move.
Ummm 'sides, your not fat.
Jacqui said:
DITTO
And If they had to live within their means, haha, they wouldn't last a week.
Neal said:Jacqui said:
It's time for us fat folks to get off the couch. Who's with me?
Not me either. Like Jacqui it's too darn hot and because there is so much good stuff being posted on TFO, I just can't put the iPad down
wellington said:
Unfortunately, many of them have so much "means", they never will be able to understand those of us who live pinching pennies and giving up one basic to be able to afford another basic.
wellington said:
I agree!
I think this is a step in the right direction. The cost of doing nothing was greater. Most of the individual provisions of this law are popular, especially when polled separately and without the pejorative 'Obamacare'.
I know, it's not like there are long lists detailing what Obama has done since he became president.
And I'll just leave this here.
If anything, I think Obama has tried too hard to work with Republicans. I think it became clear early on, and he should have adjusted accordingly. I think the Charlie Brown/Lucy football analogy is apt. I have a hard time taking Republicans seriously when so much of what they say nowadays is completely contradictory to what they said/did when GWB was president.
KimandKarasi said:
I know, it's not like there are long lists detailing what Obama has done since he became president.
And I'll just leave this here.
If anything, I think Obama has tried too hard to work with Republicans. I think it became clear early on, and he should have adjusted accordingly. I think the Charlie Brown/Lucy football analogy is apt. I have a hard time taking Republicans seriously when so much of what they say nowadays is completely contradictory to what they said/did when GWB was president.
How many TF members are constitutional lawyers? How do you think that this act will negatively effect you? I would really like some answers! Those who object to this bill, tell me why? Educate me. And how would you go about fixing a corrupt failing health care system?
I would think that this is a move in the right direction. Maybe we can catch up with the rest of the world some day...
I don't think that this bill will do enough! When I think about the money that I have spent on private health insurance, I want to cry! And I can still lose my house in the event that I get sick and or lose my health insurance. I have to say that I am sick of paying for those who take vacation that I can't afford, when I am paying for their health care.
What happened to personal responsibility? Isn't that what republicans make all of that noise about. So step up and buy your own health insurance instead of depending on those who do without to pay your way. Maybe some day I can take a vacation...
I would think that this is a move in the right direction. Maybe we can catch up with the rest of the world some day...
I don't think that this bill will do enough! When I think about the money that I have spent on private health insurance, I want to cry! And I can still lose my house in the event that I get sick and or lose my health insurance. I have to say that I am sick of paying for those who take vacation that I can't afford, when I am paying for their health care.
What happened to personal responsibility? Isn't that what republicans make all of that noise about. So step up and buy your own health insurance instead of depending on those who do without to pay your way. Maybe some day I can take a vacation...
We are so screwed. I'm speechless.
jackrat said:
Why are you screwed? Why are you Speechless?
jackrat said:
Yup!
Jacqui said:
That's why there should be a complete flush out of all the fat cats just sitting there picking their noses just because they know no one can tell them to do differently or take them out of office... It's not peoples views, its a friggin popularity contest in politics, and THAT'S what should change, but it never will.. They'll always have their golden parachutes..
terryo said:
Yep again
Her is my health care plan. I really think it would work and I think everyone wins. People looking for health care can go any place in their state to get it, even lut of state would work too. If there is a big company in your area, with lots of employees and you can afford to pay the employer and employees portions of the health plan that the employees have, you can join in on that plan and get a great, low premium, health care plan. If you are working and you retire,You are able to keep your insurance and pay both your share and the employers share. Because we would be able to join in on any plan, insurance companies would have more competition, and therefore give better plans and lower premiums. Also, because of the plan, we would all get cheaper rates, as more people join in on your insurance plan, the lower the premiums can go. However, because the insurance companies will get more members, they will still come out ahead, even with lowering plan premiums. Because of all the above, more people would be able to afford a health care plan. For those who can't find one they can afford, there is still Medicaid. Now the restrictions for Medicaid at this point should be tightened, so we still aren't paying for dead beats. I also do believe, no one should ever be denied, or restricted. Also, at this same time, the drug companies and the medical field would have some restrictions put on them. No more over charging for their serves and drugs, etc. I haven't thought that part out though, but it needs to be done. Personally, as Americans, we need to close our borders, take care of our own and clean up our own back yards. Bring back respect, compassion and pride. As a country and individuals. I am a democrat. I will vote for Obama. I think he is trying, hasn't done too bad, and has lots to do, and is on the right track. We can't afford yet another president, as we can't fix in four years what Bush did in eight, just can't be done. He buried us deep. We also can't afford a republican president at this time, we have no more to give to fill their pockets with. Give Obama the same chance that unfortunately we gave Bush. With Bush, we were hoping he would clean up his own mess in the second term that he made in his first term. Well, he didn't, just made it worse. Obama, took the challenge and though hasn't been able to dig us out completely, we are getting there and hasn't buried us further. I just think we are in big trouble with a new president. Whether it were to be democrat or republican, I think we need to ride this one put to the end!
One more thing. All you nay sayers on the new health insurance plan. Don't forget to thank Obama when you see how it will benefit you. Also let us know that it did work in your favor.
One more thing. All you nay sayers on the new health insurance plan. Don't forget to thank Obama when you see how it will benefit you. Also let us know that it did work in your favor.
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jackrat said:
I'm with you brother! Easier to blame Bush than to accept the responsibility for failed policies.....so very typical. Oh well, I'm clinging to my guns and my bible and READY. Doc
Why cant Americans be accountable for their own actions? The costs of health care are going up because the general public is at a higher risk year over year. I help price insurance for our company. This year we were able to lower the healthcare costs of our company by instead of using the local demographic which is unhealthy and obese people (I live in Michigan.. obesity capital) and had them look at our workforce. Our workforce is young, healthy, and active.
The economy isn't bush's fault and it's not obama's fault. The economy is tanking because of the debt crisis. People are graduating from college and racking up debt to have the same house and other status symbols that it took their parents 30 to 40 years to earn. Who's fault is that? Is it the banks fault for trying to make money? It is definitely partially their fault for loaning people more than they should be able to afford.
I had a lot of friends who had houses foreclosed on. I had a guy who worked for me and makes half of what I make. He has a stay at home wife. I have a husband who earns almost as much as me. He bought a house that was 3x the cost of my house. Is it bush's fault that he is irresponsible? Is it the banks fault? Well their policies didn't help him but the issue is the entitlement that my generation and younger feels to have nice things. I like nice things but I like having security better. When my husband was injured and didn't pull in a paycheck for 3 years it effected my spending habits but I didn't lose a house or car, or anythiing.
I can thank Dave Ramsey for that..
My last point on this is that the economy isnt going into the toilet only because of debt but also because the manufacturing is being done overseas. We all can't be service industry people. This economy is proving that industry is needed.
The health care costs are a symptom of the same issues in my opinion. The biggest health care company in Michigan is a non profit company, and guess what their costs are going up too. I work with them and yes they could be more efficient but in the end its the fact that people are living longer, consuming more health care, and taking less and less preventative care of their bodies.
The economy isn't bush's fault and it's not obama's fault. The economy is tanking because of the debt crisis. People are graduating from college and racking up debt to have the same house and other status symbols that it took their parents 30 to 40 years to earn. Who's fault is that? Is it the banks fault for trying to make money? It is definitely partially their fault for loaning people more than they should be able to afford.
I had a lot of friends who had houses foreclosed on. I had a guy who worked for me and makes half of what I make. He has a stay at home wife. I have a husband who earns almost as much as me. He bought a house that was 3x the cost of my house. Is it bush's fault that he is irresponsible? Is it the banks fault? Well their policies didn't help him but the issue is the entitlement that my generation and younger feels to have nice things. I like nice things but I like having security better. When my husband was injured and didn't pull in a paycheck for 3 years it effected my spending habits but I didn't lose a house or car, or anythiing.
I can thank Dave Ramsey for that..
My last point on this is that the economy isnt going into the toilet only because of debt but also because the manufacturing is being done overseas. We all can't be service industry people. This economy is proving that industry is needed.
The health care costs are a symptom of the same issues in my opinion. The biggest health care company in Michigan is a non profit company, and guess what their costs are going up too. I work with them and yes they could be more efficient but in the end its the fact that people are living longer, consuming more health care, and taking less and less preventative care of their bodies.
Makes me wonder.....let's have a show of hands. For the opponents of Obamacare....how many of you are going to to discuss your feelings on the matter with your healthcare provider at your next visit...I know I did with mine, fortunately it was after the prostate exam...didn't want to get her too worked up...smile. Now, how about the Obamacare supporters? Any of you going to espouse the wisdom of your President's law with your healthcare provider? Doc
I'm retired from the phone company. I've been retired for almost 20 years. And the phone company STILL pays my health care premiums. Obamacare wants to do away with that.
exoticsdr said:
I do not...understand the point that you are making. Are you suggesting that all doctors and health care providers are inherently against Obamacare? That is certainly not the case.
I'm all for Obamacare, I think it is an amazing thing, especially in regards to women's healthcare and affordable birth control. I'm sure that healthcare providers and doctors who are interested in those things feel the same way.
If this is some sort of challenge that you are issuing, I'll take it. I will happily talk to every doctor I see about my support of the act.
Keep your powder dry,Doc. This could get interesting.exoticsdr said:
My doctor says "this is gonna be bad"exoticsdr said:
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