Thank you! I have another one. I know it's very difficult to tell ... but any guesses would be appreciated. Thank you! 
2nd ornata or luteola?
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Maggie Cummings
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That looks like an Ornata, I have one looks just like that, a female...
Looks like a male Terrapene ornata luteola to me.
Danny
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Doesn't look like my old Ornate at all.
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Maggie Cummings
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egyptiandan said:Looks like a male Terrapene ornata luteola to me.
Danny
Oh well heck. It certainly would have been horrible to be right twice in a row...maybe, my Ornata is not an Ornata...
desert ornate, they are more square i had a few back in the day.
Here is what I have gone by. It is a quote from an article I found on line by Michael Connor.
"The luteola form has thinner but more numerous striations on the carapacial scutes (The second pleural scute bears 11-14 radiations in luteola compared to 5-8 in ornata)."
pleural scute = costal scute
So if it is just a matter of counting lines/striations it should be fairly easy, unless it's an older luteola and the lines aren't visible any longer.
I would imagine that there are some exceptions to this but believe for the most part it holds true.
"The luteola form has thinner but more numerous striations on the carapacial scutes (The second pleural scute bears 11-14 radiations in luteola compared to 5-8 in ornata)."
pleural scute = costal scute
So if it is just a matter of counting lines/striations it should be fairly easy, unless it's an older luteola and the lines aren't visible any longer.
I would imagine that there are some exceptions to this but believe for the most part it holds true.
Here's Nora my old Ornate if you want to compare.
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