yes sadly. believe it or not that one was shipped / sold that way
28 Sick Tortoises please help, Bumps under Neck
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Poor wee man.
I hope he defies all of the odds and makes it!
And I hope with NO pain involved.
God Bless his little heart. ❤️????
thats a different one then the other pic
Well then I wish them both a happy healthy pain free life . May they grow up enough to OUT grow that horrible disease. And fight like he*l to make it. ??❤️??❤️
Jan A
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Chef, IMHAO, we can't wish this away. I absolutely wish we could.
the first one passed soon after they got them and the other one i have not seen in a while. there is no outgrowing this.
TeamZissou
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Can you talk more about how this disease is propagated at the breeder's place? Do you suspect all of the equipment used for hatchlings is just contaminated, or are there adult tortoises that are infected but do not show signs due to stronger immune systems?
So very sad and I can only imagine very painful.
Would you recommend to anyone that has a tortoise with confirmed signs to euthanize and not try treating?
You have to add "tortoise" when you search
harrythetortoise
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I google searched and there is an instagram account. Not 100% sure if that's the same breeder...
once it is localized in the area it has been found in the dirt, on things like feeding bowls or trays, dividing walls etc. it can also come from the female when she lays the eggs they can defecate some on the egg which can pass it along. we are not sure of the genetic passing from parents being a bacteria it would require more testing of the adult animals to see if they carry it and do all the babies end up with it or only some of them etc. it can most def come from equipment that was exposed to it or handling from hands etc. babies tend to be more susceptible immune wise to anything normally.
Could this be reported to the FDA with the expectation they would do anything about it?
already has i dont think they will
Actually, I think the " humanely" bit could be missed out.!!
At the very least, this dude should be in jail. He can't claim ignorance this time.
I don't think this would be an FDA issue. Possibly USGS if it was shown to be a threat to native reptiles. Possibly USDA or USFWS though too. I would guess that the researchers working on this have already discussed it with their colleagues in those agencies.
It is a dangerous road to go down for the hobby/trade though. My mind jumps to Chytrid fungus in Salamanders which caused USFWS to list hundreds of species of Salamanders as injurious, prohibitiing imports as well as interstate trade to protect native species from the disease.
Since most, if not all of adult Sulcatas are kept outdoors it would be nearly impossible to keep them from contacting other native reptiles. In Arizona where the alleged breeder is, there are a few reports of Sulcatas being found in the wild already. My grandmother found a tiny hatchling Sulcata walking down the road there a few years ago.
In my opinion, tortoise breeders need to self police this issue FAST before they ruin it for everyone.
Canadian Mojo
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I would guess that the USDA would be the primary agency since this is a commercial enterprise involved in breeding and selling domesticated animals across state lines.
On the other hand, mail fraud (for shipping known to be sick animals)?
On the other hand, mail fraud (for shipping known to be sick animals)?
I'm just wondering have you ever tried an herb like echinacea? I've used the drops on a few animals and capsules on some and it worked on some iffy diseases.
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