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ZEROPILOT

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If the package actually does show up tomorrow not even sure I want to open it. We’ll see. Recording it isn’t a bad idea though. I’m guessing he just ships a piece of paper to a random address to buy him time on the PayPal claim because i can’t move forward when there is a valid tracking number in transit.
That's interesting.
I once ordered a car part from Malaysia and got a tracking number.
The package DID eventually arrive. But it was an envelope with a slip of animation decals in it.
 

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Sorry to hear about your Bad experience on this... But did Da Package or Envelope come yet.. Wish you Da best of luck...
 

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Sorry to hear about your Bad experience on this... But did Da Package or Envelope come yet.. Wish you Da best of luck...

Alright guys/gals here’s the final update.

The “package” he mailed was delivered to Mississippi. I’m in Florida. I figured this package he mailed was nothing more than a way for him to buy more time and it appears that was the case.

I just got off the phone with PayPal and they were extremely helpful once they saw where this package was delivered and issued me a full refund. I am very glad to have this case closed. PayPal were extremely helpful and good to work with on this refund so I’d like to point that out to people.

Now me and my wife just need to find another leopard tortoise to add to our family but this time I’ll be sure the tortoise actually exists :)
 

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Alright guys/gals here’s the final update.

The “package” he mailed was delivered to Mississippi. I’m in Florida. I figured this package he mailed was nothing more than a way for him to buy more time and it appears that was the case.

I just got off the phone with PayPal and they were extremely helpful once they saw where this package was delivered and issued me a full refund. I am very glad to have this case closed. PayPal were extremely helpful and good to work with on this refund so I’d like to point that out to people.

Now me and my wife just need to find another leopard tortoise to add to our family but this time I’ll be sure the tortoise actually exists :)

I am sorry to hear you got to go through this. On this Forum there are many Leopard tort keepers, and they do have babies for sale at times. I’d ask @Tom or @YvonneG, or @Elohi. Know for sure that @Elohi had some Leopard babies at one point. Not sure about Tom and Yvonne but if they don’t they will tell you who does and that will be a GOOD reliable information. And if @Elohi has a tort for sell, your chances of getting a well started, healthy animal are very very high. There are MANY other leopard keepers/breeders on here but I haven’t kept up with the Forum for a ling while due to some issues with
my human children. Anyway, don’t be discoraged and stick around. People on here will help you. Best of luck
 

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~ So sick and disgusted with scammers, basically thieves. It is getting worse than ever these days, actually for many reasons, and not only in the pet trade. Part of the frustration is the lack of legal recourse with many cases, just very time consuming and not cost effective to pursue. The best thing anyone can do is purchase directly and in person, however i know many argue it is not practical. We deal with fewer than most these days and we truly keep it simple and non complex. It is much less stressful and time consuming to only deal with a few these days. It is getting harder to find good ethical honest people these days, most are deceptive, liars, nefarious, deviant, and simply pathetic at some level. I can give countless stories of many, however this is simply not the correct venue. Bottom line here is to simply be cautious and careful. I have always stressed that it is best to actually pay and pick up in person.
 

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Alright guys/gals here’s the final update.

The “package” he mailed was delivered to Mississippi. I’m in Florida. I figured this package he mailed was nothing more than a way for him to buy more time and it appears that was the case.

I just got off the phone with PayPal and they were extremely helpful once they saw where this package was delivered and issued me a full refund. I am very glad to have this case closed. PayPal were extremely helpful and good to work with on this refund so I’d like to point that out to people.

Now me and my wife just need to find another leopard tortoise to add to our family but this time I’ll be sure the tortoise actually exists :)
PM sent.
 

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Alright guys/gals here’s the final update.

The “package” he mailed was delivered to Mississippi. I’m in Florida. I figured this package he mailed was nothing more than a way for him to buy more time and it appears that was the case.

I just got off the phone with PayPal and they were extremely helpful once they saw where this package was delivered and issued me a full refund. I am very glad to have this case closed. PayPal were extremely helpful and good to work with on this refund so I’d like to point that out to people.

Now me and my wife just need to find another leopard tortoise to add to our family but this time I’ll be sure the tortoise actually exists :)
Sorry to hear you had to go through this tough lesson, hopefully lesson learned. Pay pal is really good with refunds one reason I like to go through them and not do money orders or checks. I would double on getting one from will wont be disappointing!

Kyle
 

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Wow i had a similar issues with the same user, I actually send him a payment for 3 cherry heads he supposedly had for sale. Only weird thing is he gave me his wife's paypal email and i sent the payment there. Then he actually refunded me the money back and told me to send it to his personal paypal account and that's when i got a bit suspicious about it and didn't proceed to anymore.
 

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Wow i had a similar issues with the same user, I actually send him a payment for 3 cherry heads he supposedly had for sale. Only weird thing is he gave me his wife's paypal email and i sent the payment there. Then he actually refunded me the money back and told me to send it to his personal paypal account and that's when i got a bit suspicious about it and didn't proceed to anymore.
You lucked out.
 

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Just to chime in here.....been through this sort of thing once, got my money back. Some suggestions / thoughts:

1. Unless you know or trust the seller, always use the "goods / services" checkout - otherwise you'll have no recourse from scams.
2. Make sure the transaction terms are included with the payment (what you're buying, where it will ship to, when they'll ship, etc).
3. Pay with a credit card through paypal - never via bank account, debit card, or anything else. That way you have a backup option of filing a claim through the credit card company (I didn't have to go this far...).
4. If the transaction goes bad, file a claim quickly and be wary of delay tactics (seller claims something came up and they can't ship for a couple weeks, etc). The intent of the seller is to get the money out of paypal before it can be clawed back. Paypal and credit card companies both have deadlines on filing a claim.
 

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Alright guys/gals here’s the final update.

The “package” he mailed was delivered to Mississippi. I’m in Florida. I figured this package he mailed was nothing more than a way for him to buy more time and it appears that was the case.

I just got off the phone with PayPal and they were extremely helpful once they saw where this package was delivered and issued me a full refund. I am very glad to have this case closed. PayPal were extremely helpful and good to work with on this refund so I’d like to point that out to people.

Now me and my wife just need to find another leopard tortoise to add to our family but this time I’ll be sure the tortoise actually exists :)
Have you located any leopard tortoises?? I have two that I have had for 15 years and now that I am getting older I realize no one in my family will be here to take care of them. I have an ad posted in craigslist and I am located in Adrian MI. They are a part of our family and want them to go to a good home. Let me know...... Mike

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I’m hoping PayPal is good with refunding. Anyone ever had to request a refund for a payment on PayPal? Really hoping I’m not SOL here. This was gonna be a surprise gift for my wife’s birthday in 2 weeks.

PayPal will refund you and then go after the debtor themselves. Yes, I have personal experience on several occasions with PayPal providing a refund. Most recently with a company called The Paw Tracker. Horrible customer service, no readily available phone number for customer support. PayPal refunded my payment to them within a couple of days after I had been trying to contact them for 3 weeks concerning a technical question. Good luck with your search for a tortoise.
 

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I find it odd that anyone would sale a leopard that size for 140 when most hatchlings go for 200.
 
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