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The roots of the pothos or any plant's roots should not be a drowning problem for a turtle. I use plants extensively in tanks and ponds for both biological action and hides for the turtles. A CHANGE in water level can be a problem if a favorite resting spot is suddenly turned into a spot where the turtle can no longer reach the surface, as they are used to resting there and just stretching their neck to get air.

By far, the most common times I see turtle drowning is with a mud, spotted or blandings. Those species are very aquatic, but poor swimmers. When their body temps cool and they slow down, they can often have trouble swimming to the surface without being able to climb. So they develop favorite paths they use to climb to the surface. When being handled, and then placed back in the water, if they are not allowed to equalize their buoyancy, they will often dive to the bottom in flight mode and be negative buoyant to the point of not being able to swim to the surface. Whenever I handle one of those and place them back in the water, I always place them where they are floating on a plant or on a rock in shallow water where they have their head above water when I remove my hand. I want them to breathe in enough and equalize their buoyancy. I have had to teach my oldest grandson this as he frequently loves to go hunt my spotted turtles and study them!!
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this!
 

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Mooz:

The roots of the pothos or any plant's roots should not be a drowning problem for a turtle. I use plants extensively in tanks and ponds for both biological action and hides for the turtles. A CHANGE in water level can be a problem if a favorite resting spot is suddenly turned into a spot where the turtle can no longer reach the surface, as they are used to resting there and just stretching their neck to get air.

By far, the most common times I see turtle drowning is with a mud, spotted or blandings. Those species are very aquatic, but poor swimmers. When their body temps cool and they slow down, they can often have trouble swimming to the surface without being able to climb. So they develop favorite paths they use to climb to the surface. When being handled, and then placed back in the water, if they are not allowed to equalize their buoyancy, they will often dive to the bottom in flight mode and be negative buoyant to the point of not being able to swim to the surface. Whenever I handle one of those and place them back in the water, I always place them where they are floating on a plant or on a rock in shallow water where they have their head above water when I remove my hand. I want them to breathe in enough and equalize their buoyancy. I have had to teach my oldest grandson this as he frequently loves to go hunt my spotted turtles and study them!!

This is very good to know!
Thanks again, Mark! [emoji2]
 

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Glad she seems to have bounced back, my heart sank while reading this, Jacques is literally the only water turtle on the forum that I know by name thanks to your cute photos and updates.
 

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Glad she seems to have bounced back, my heart sank while reading this, Jacques is literally the only water turtle on the forum that I know by name thanks to your cute photos and updates.
Thank you!:)

I am tremendously relieved that she is ok, but still in a bit of shock and feeling guilty that it ever happened at all. But I have learned a valuable lesson, at least. :oops:
 

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I'm wondering if she got held down almost drowning or poisoned by something in the pothus plants?
I would not put any plants in an aquarium that is not meant to be fully submerged. Thinking either something either something in the soil or plant itself leaked into the water poisoning her?
Glad all is okay. Hope she continues to do well.
 

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I have had similar things happen more times than I would like to admit. Keep an eye on her. I have had turtles appear to recover after an episode like this, just to go downhill again. Like when we hear of second hand drowning in humans. Just saying, this is AWESOME, but you might not be completely out of the woods just yet.
 

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Thank you!:)

I am tremendously relieved that she is ok, but still in a bit of shock and feeling guilty that it ever happened at all. But I have learned a valuable lesson, at least. :oops:

They are like kids, if they can get into it they will. Mango is still healing from a mysterious broken leg even.
 

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Thank you wellington and Anthony.

Yes, I've heard of animals and people appearing to recover from drowning only to go downhill in the following days.
Other than removing the pothos (which has been done) and decreasing the water level, I'm not sure what to do other than watch her. Hubby says I'm hovering over her I'm going to give her a complex! :p

Today she has hung out at the OPPOSITE end of the tank from where the near drowning occurred. She's wedged herself between a fake rock cave and the back of the tank with her face out of the water. She turns and looks me when I come by, so she's plenty alert. She's not hungry at all, but I'm not really surprised.
 

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Thank you wellington and Anthony.

Yes, I've heard of animals and people appearing to recover from drowning only to go downhill in the following days.
Other than removing the pothos (which has been done) and decreasing the water level, I'm not sure what to do other than watch her. Hubby says I'm hovering over her I'm going to give her a complex! :p

Today she has hung out at the OPPOSITE end of the tank from where the near drowning occurred. She's wedged herself between a fake rock cave and the back of the tank with her face out of the water. She turns and looks me when I come by, so she's plenty alert. She's not hungry at all, but I'm not really surprised.
We'll all be thinking of her and sending our love.:):tort::<3:
 

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Just saw this thread...
As others have stated (admitted) I too have had drowning experiences over the years. And as MarkW said, with mud turtles.
In my case it was suddenly putting an adult mud turtle that had been in a forty gallon aquarium for many years into a seventy-five gallon tank with water that was a few inches deeper than what she was used to. I also had wedged some corkbark slabs across the width of the tank for her to haul out on. But in the process I had created places that she could get trapped under too.
Evidently the sudden combination of a larger aquarium, deeper water and the addition of potential trap sites contributed to her drowning. A hard lesson to learn.
As MarkW pointed out, mud turtles (and some other species) are very aquatic, but since they inhabit SHALLOW water they tend to be poor swimmers.
Since that bad experience many years ago I’ve since kept my muddies in shallow water and in set-ups that are not too cluttered with items that they can get trapped in or under.
Hoping for a good outcome for Jacques!
 

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Just saw this thread...
As others have stated (admitted) I too have had drowning experiences over the years. And as MarkW said, with mud turtles.
In my case it was suddenly putting an adult mud turtle that had been in a forty gallon aquarium for many years into a seventy-five gallon tank with water that was a few inches deeper than what she was used to. I also had wedged some corkbark slabs across the width of the tank for her to haul out on. But in the process I had created places that she could get trapped under too.
Evidently the sudden combination of a larger aquarium, deeper water and the addition of potential trap sites contributed to her drowning. A hard lesson to learn.
As MarkW pointed out, mud turtles (and some other species) are very aquatic, but since they inhabit SHALLOW water they tend to be poor swimmers.
Since that bad experience many years ago I’ve since kept my muddies in shallow water and in set-ups that are not too cluttered with items that they can get trapped in or under.
Hoping for a good outcome for Jacques!
 

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I sure hope he's alright ...... as has been mentioned multiple times so far , some of these aquatic turtles are really poor swimmers and need sloping river bank type sides , or lots of ramp type climb out spots , all the underwater hides should have more than one way out ....... as Markw said , I've too noticed if you just drop a turtle into the water after handling it , they have a hard time getting back to the surface , I've seen this in blanding's and wood turtles , C.A. and N.A. .... along with the secondry drowning aspect which would happen reasonably soon , aspiration pneumonia is also a possibility in the near future , it'd be a bacterial pneumonia and easily cured .......... thank God you found him when you did , i'm hoping your guy is back to normal soon ....... as Carl said , I agree with the shallow water approach ......
 

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Thanks SO MUCH, cdmay and mark1!!!
She's looking OK today. She is staying at the OPPOSITE end of the tank from where she had her near-drowning and seems to have established a new favorite spot to hang out. She wasn't hungry yesterday- mostly napped near the surface of the water- but her cuttlebone has new bites taken out of it this morning!
She's up near the front now, giving me her "salmon for breakfast?" look...:)
I'll post pictures of her eating (hopefully) :)
 

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Hmmmm...She's up at the front of the tank and I dropped in a couple little pieces of salmon. Ordinarily she would grab it before it hits the sand, but it's been there for several minutes now. Not sure what to think...:confused:
But at least she's not hiding like she did all day yesterday.

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I sure hope he's alright ...... as has been mentioned multiple times so far , some of these aquatic turtles are really poor swimmers and need sloping river bank type sides , or lots of ramp type climb out spots , all the underwater hides should have more than one way out ....... as Markw said , I've too noticed if you just drop a turtle into the water after handling it , they have a hard time getting back to the surface , I've seen this in blanding's and wood turtles , C.A. and N.A. .... along with the secondry drowning aspect which would happen reasonably soon , aspiration pneumonia is also a possibility in the near future , it'd be a bacterial pneumonia and easily cured .......... thank God you found him when you did , i'm hoping your guy is back to normal soon ....... as Carl said , I agree with the shallow water approach ......
mark, how would I know if she develops pneumonia?
What are the signs? o_O
 

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mark, how would I know if she develops pneumonia?
What are the signs? o_O
I am not Mark but I would say:

Loss of appetite
noise while breathing
bubbles coming out of the nose
being lethargic, not want to swim, often lying under the heat lamp

When a pneumonia is only in one part of the lung ( maybe only on the left side ) they often swim wonky. When the pneumonia is in both parts of the lung you often see nothing when the turtle swims.
When a pneumonia is progressing there can be red lines or spots on the plastron.
 
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I am not Mark but I would say:

Loss of appetite
noise while breathing
bubbles coming out of the nose
being lethargic, not want to swim, often lying under the heat lamp

When a pneumonia is only in one part of the lung ( maybe only on the left side ) they often swim wonky. When the pneumonia is in both parts of the lung you often see nothing while the turtle swims.
When a pneumonia is progressing there can be red lines or spots on the plastron.

Thanks, Bee!
 

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I sure hope he's alright ...... as has been mentioned multiple times so far , some of these aquatic turtles are really poor swimmers and need sloping river bank type sides , or lots of ramp type climb out spots , all the underwater hides should have more than one way out ....... as Markw said , I've too noticed if you just drop a turtle into the water after handling it , they have a hard time getting back to the surface , I've seen this in blanding's and wood turtles , C.A. and N.A. .... along with the secondry drowning aspect which would happen reasonably soon , aspiration pneumonia is also a possibility in the near future , it'd be a bacterial pneumonia and easily cured .......... thank God you found him when you did , i'm hoping your guy is back to normal soon ....... as Carl said , I agree with the shallow water approach ......

How is the pneumonia treated?
Should I treat her ANYWAY as a precaution?
 

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