New Leopard hatchlings any advice appreciated

Tom

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Correct, all I am saying is that many people make broad statements that housing a pair or multiple is terrible. Although this may be true given other factors like space/area, sex, size, age etc, I don't think it's as broad of a message as many lend to believe.

It is a broad statement, and keeping them as a pair is usually terrible. When you've done what I've done and seen what I've seen, you will see it that way too.

All sorts of species (including our own) may have potential issues if/when housed together. Especially given factors as I stated above. I'm sure everybody reading this has been in a room with another person they'd rather not be with. Does that mean all humans should be kept separately?

In addition to what Kasia mentioned…
Glad you brought this up as it illustrates a common logical error. Humans, and many other species, are social animals. They live and thrive in groups and frequently in pairs. Red tail hawks pair up and they literally rule their roost as a team, for example. Tortoises, on the other hand, are not social animals. They don't like, want or need other tortoises around. Other tortoises are seen as territorial intruders, bullies, and competitors for limited resources. Tortoises do best when there are not other tortoises around, and they actively drive the interlopers away, one way or another. Assigning human attributes or emotions to tortoises or other animals is called anthropomorphism, and doing so can cause all sorts of problems.
 

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for taking the time to put together this intelligible response.

I only disagree with you on one area:


The member's posts were clear personal attacks, challenging my credibility and exploiting a previous unfortunate scenario where I received a sick tortoise. Then he posts screenshots and links. To show what? That I failed at keeping a baby who showed up sick from day one? Any other items that you want to try and shame people about? Does a members account have to be active for a specific number of days, months years before one can share an opinion? Get a life dude (to said member).

Never said a word about you or the dead tortoise I merely responded showing I did help you and you thanked me and took my advice. I also told you in another thread how sorry I was to hear this tortoise died, not sure why all the anger when I was just pointing out the lack of experience in keeping pairs. Your post had some holes in it and I wanted the OP to be aware of the advice. Nothing more was said about you or attacking you. Have a wonderful day.
 

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This is the enclosure i have, i have it covered with aluminum foil for now and have been monitoring temps

Just get a clear shower curtain and cut a hole big enough for the light to sit in so it doesn't melt. You can put foil tape around the edge of the hole you cut so the light fixture can sit on it a little and not have a big gap. You can clip/attach the curtain to the mesh lid and then just flip it upon the sides when you need access.

You should probably also add some more cover in there - some fake plants, flat pieces of wood they can crawl under, etc.
 
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Just get a clear shower curtain and cut a hole big enough for the light to sit in so it doesn't melt. You can put foil tape around the edge of the hole you cut so the light fixture can sit on it a little and not have a big gap. You can clip/attach the curtain to the mesh lid and then just flip it upon the sides when you need access.
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