U.K. Outdoor heated house (few questions)

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so the time has come for me to design and build my Sullys outdoor home and I have a few questions. Since I got him a couple of years ago I have been watching threads and gaining ideas and tips for the big build.
Now I'm researching supplies for the build and reading up on insulation but there is a lot of mention and mixed opinions on a thing called an 'AIR GAP'. I'm no professional and not great with technical terms but am pretty good at turning my hand to DIY and enclosure building however this is my first big outdoor build so want to get it right. So what I can figure out about this air gap is that it is a space between the insulation and the outer wood and that this gap prevents moisture from seeping through to the insulation causing damp (I think??) .
Do any of you have outdoor builds and have experience or knowledge on air gaps? Obviously in the uk it gets very wet but I thought several coats of a varnish would prevent this but it does make sense not to have the cold outer wood pressing on the insulation. I'm leaning towards the foam foil boards btw. I previously just assumed that as much insulation as possible was crammed into this space.

The other thing I'm not sure about is ventilation. I'm looking to make it fairly large as he will have to spend most of winter in it but the door will be open through the day for him so do I need to cut vents? My worry with this is any stress about insulation will be wasted as the heat will just go out the vents. Do you guys ventilate?

The size I'm looking at is 3meters long by 2.2meters wide by 120cm tall at front and 105cm at the back (sloped roof). Will this be tall enough when he is fully grown? Don't want to heat wasted space if possible.

TIA
 

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I'm not a great DIYer and my leopard has his own room indoors, but if I had to build something, I like the idea of an insulated shed with one of Toms heated night boxes in so they can be cosy over night but still have space to wander about in a heated space in the day. Or - if it was just for the summer - maybe a green house with a heated night box.
I'm sure there's lots of great ideas and designs on the forum, good luck with your build.
 

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When using rigid foam with foil on one side, the foil is to reflect heat, not vapor. If you want to keep the shed cool in summer, you have the foil out. If you want to keep heat in during winter, you have the foil facing in. The rigid foam I've used in my tortoise sheds didn't come with a foil side.

To be honest, I never even considered the moisture.

My sheds don't have any vents. I have 2x4 studs with rigid foam on the inside and on the outside, then plywood over the foam on the inside walls and on the outside walls. I used spray foam to seal the seams. The doggy door (tortoise door) is open during the day, but closed at night.

Here's a link to the latest shed I built:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/dudleys-rebuild.111350/

But you don't have to build a shed big enough for you to walk into. Tom has a few sheds that are just tortoise-size. You can do a search for his night houses and see how he has built them.
 

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Here's a link to the latest shed I built:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/dudleys-rebuild.111350/

But you don't have to build a shed big enough for you to walk into. Tom has a few sheds that are just tortoise-size. You can do a search for his night houses and see how he has built them.

Thanks that's really helpful. The link to your latest shed is similar to what I have in mind but around half the height and longer length. Do you remember what thickness of materials you used(insulation and sheet board)?
 

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The rigid foam was 1/2" and the plywood was exterior grade and the thinner because it was cheaper, but I don't remember the exact thickness.
 

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so the time has come for me to design and build my Sullys outdoor home and I have a few questions. Since I got him a couple of years ago I have been watching threads and gaining ideas and tips for the big build.
Now I'm researching supplies for the build and reading up on insulation but there is a lot of mention and mixed opinions on a thing called an 'AIR GAP'. I'm no professional and not great with technical terms but am pretty good at turning my hand to DIY and enclosure building however this is my first big outdoor build so want to get it right. So what I can figure out about this air gap is that it is a space between the insulation and the outer wood and that this gap prevents moisture from seeping through to the insulation causing damp (I think??) .
Do any of you have outdoor builds and have experience or knowledge on air gaps? Obviously in the uk it gets very wet but I thought several coats of a varnish would prevent this but it does make sense not to have the cold outer wood pressing on the insulation. I'm leaning towards the foam foil boards btw. I previously just assumed that as much insulation as possible was crammed into this space.

The other thing I'm not sure about is ventilation. I'm looking to make it fairly large as he will have to spend most of winter in it but the door will be open through the day for him so do I need to cut vents? My worry with this is any stress about insulation will be wasted as the heat will just go out the vents. Do you guys ventilate?

The size I'm looking at is 3meters long by 2.2meters wide by 120cm tall at front and 105cm at the back (sloped roof). Will this be tall enough when he is fully grown? Don't want to heat wasted space if possible.

TIA
Hi Laney. May I ask what budget you have in mind for this project. I'm doing something similar soon, nor for a sully though.
 

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Hi Laney. May I ask what budget you have in mind for this project. I'm doing something similar soon, nor for a sully though.
I'm getting my bonus soon and I'm thinking its Gona eat up most if not all of that Hoping to keep it in the hundreds tho. Less is better but if a couple of hundred Gona make the difference between it lasting and staying warm then I figure I will save that money on heating costs in the long run.
Sorry don't have an accurate figure atm still at the planning and pricing up materials stage but will let you know and start a progress thread once I've started.
 

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I'm getting my bonus soon and I'm thinking its Gona eat up most if not all of that Hoping to keep it in the hundreds tho. Less is better but if a couple of hundred Gona make the difference between it lasting and staying warm then I figure I will save that money on heating costs in the long run.
Sorry don't have an accurate figure atm still at the planning and pricing up materials stage but will let you know and start a progress thread once I've started.
If your going with a shed. 3 options I've looked at are metal,wood or plastic.
Metal sheds have sliding doors so makes insulating it harder plus metal will get very hot and cold with weather. So no for me.
Wooden sheds are easy to insulate and board, but will want continuous maintenance on the outside over the years.
Plastic sheds cost a bit more but need no maintenance and won't rot. Still looking at if insulating is easy enough or not, there will definitely be a way. Also there is no gaps between horizontal lats like on most wooden sheds to let drafts in.
Just something for you to consider.
 

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If you look up Tom's night box thread it will give you all the info you need on a great box for outdoors. I built one and even when the temps get down into the mid teens Fahrenheit the box stays at the correct temps. He gives step by step instructions can't get better then that.
 

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Anyone have any other tips or tricks?
I plan on raising it up on blocks and using Toms electrical tips of the loop in wire and shoebox for electrics.
 

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Has anyone ever used exterior tongue and groove wood for a heated house? I was originally going to use exterior ply -insulation-exterior ply but because I want to make it 300cmx220cm x120cm tall it is going to cost a fortune just for the ply wood.
found log lap tongue and groove that looks really nice and 22mm thick but obviously there are more seams so might let more cold into insulation?
Was thinking log lap exterior -insulation- plywood inside, thoughts?
 

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