Worried about pyramiding already!

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image.jpeg Not to steal your thread or anything but I am also concerned of the babies shells I just got. They are Russians and will be a year old in December. Is this normal shell growth for a baby or is it starting to pyramid ? The breeder said she mists once a week which concerns me also I don't think they were soaked enough. I soak them a lot and mist their enclosure have soaking dishes and live plants in it as well to help with humidity.
 

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Misting and soaking is not enough to prevent pyramidding. The humidity in the enclosure needs to be raised by having damp substrate and the correct temperatures as well.

Humidity is measured with a hyGrometer (note the G)

It's also important the tortoise stays in the enclosure and doesn't roam your home.

Janelle that Russian is pyramidding
I never let them roam my house I was afraid it was pyramiding i don't believe she had her humidity correctly hopefully I can stop it and it'll smooth out a little I am also going to put a humidifier in the room with their enclosure to help out and will test what their humidity is at today
 

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I just looked at her page and the remainder babies she has left have horrible pyramiding luckily I got these two I just hooked humidifier up in their room as well to help out since I live in Colorado it's so dry here
 

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I just checked and my substrate is dry on top nice and wet at bottom I like adding humidifiers because I live in Colorado very dry here I like having them for my skin, I hooked up a humidifier to my red foots keeps my enclosure in the 80s for humidity so I'm going to do that with my Russian yearlings .i can't give them 12 hrs of sun right now cuz winter but anytime it's sunny and warm their outside in their outdoor enclosure . They will live outside in the warm months. Their doing really good very healthy this was the girls 2nd clutch so I don't think she knows exactly what to do yet I will have to send her your post cuz I don't know how to explain it to her . Thank you guys for your great advice helps a lot :) I was just curious since she didn't take the best care of them if they were pyramiding .
 

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View attachment 191334 View attachment 191335 I'm totally freaked out about my hermann developing pyramiding and want to make sure his home is humid what are some good thermostats for checking both humidity and one for temp since the one from petco doesn't seem the greatest. I do have a temp gun but not sure where I should be checking to get a reading for the warm spot temperature. Also I'm wondering if tortellini's carapace looks normal for a less than 2 month hatchling or if pyramiding is starting? I know I sound like a first time mom all freaked out lol but he/she is my new baby and I want tortellini to have a good long healthy life. My enclosure walls are too low for adedequte humidity so I've been misting and have moist substrate in hides but I'm changing to a higher tub tonight and adding a cover on one end as well as a humidifier. If I do this as well as daily soaks will that work until I can get a gauge to tell me what the percent is?
soaking the substrate and having a soaking dish still doesn't do it for me I need high humidity I have red foot yearlings and Russian yearlings . For me best is using a humidifier that my husband hooked up into an automatic humidity mister into the red foots enclosure and my humidity stays in the 80s. I would honestly invest some money and get a reptile fogger mister they have them at all pet stores and reptile shops they are pricey that's why we made our own but having an automatic humidity mister works wonders that's just my opinion from my expierence with my torties I live in a very dry state humidity is 20% outside today so we now hooked another humidifier up into the Russians to get their humidity higher and I will check it with my hygrometer soon
 

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I just checked and my substrate is dry on top nice and wet at bottom I like adding humidifiers because I live in Colorado very dry here I like having them for my skin, I hooked up a humidifier to my red foots keeps my enclosure in the 80s for humidity so I'm going to do that with my Russian yearlings .i can't give them 12 hrs of sun right now cuz winter but anytime it's sunny and warm their outside in their outdoor enclosure . They will live outside in the warm months. Their doing really good very healthy this was the girls 2nd clutch so I don't think she knows exactly what to do yet I will have to send her your post cuz I don't know how to explain it to her . Thank you guys for your great advice helps a lot :) I was just curious since she didn't take the best care of them if they were pyramiding .
I'm going to but in on this post to :) go to the Russian care section and print out the care sheet for hatchling Russians. There's also ones for adults. Give them to her. Because obviously she is keeping them to dry. Mistine won't do a darn thing. And especially in Colorado where it is so dry year round. And the heating and air conditioning we use in our houses also make it dry. That's why I suggest some sort of covered enclosure for adults or babies. It is easier to control humidity and temperature.
Just remember that with the Mediterranean species like Russian Greeks and Herman's you are not going for the super high humidity's like you would be with Leopard say or even the red foots. 50 to 70% would be just fine for Mediterranean species hatchlings.
Sometimes I think a little too much emphasis is put on pyramiding, it makes people expect something like a bowling ball smoothness to their tortoises shell. If you provide the proper hydration and humidity levels, the proper diet, proper room for exercise than your tortoise will be fine. You will not see a bowling ball Smoove tortoise in the wild.
 

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I'm going to but in on this post to :) go to the Russian care section and print out the care sheet for hatchling Russians. There's also ones for adults. Give them to her. Because obviously she is keeping them to dry. Mistine won't do a darn thing. And especially in Colorado where it is so dry year round. And the heating and air conditioning we use in our houses also make it dry. That's why I suggest some sort of covered enclosure for adults or babies. It is easier to control humidity and temperature.
Just remember that with the Mediterranean species like Russian Greeks and Herman's you are not going for the super high humidity's like you would be with Leopard say or even the red foots. 50 to 70% would be just fine for Mediterranean species hatchlings.
Sometimes I think a little too much emphasis is put on pyramiding, it makes people expect something like a bowling ball smoothness to their tortoises shell. If you provide the proper hydration and humidity levels, the proper diet, proper room for exercise than your tortoise will be fine. You will not see a bowling ball Smoove tortoise in the wild.
Yes that is a great idea to give them to her without coming off rude! Colorado is very dry I have humidifiers in my rooms. Thank you I didn't know if they needed the high humidity like my red foot yearlings , I heard to treat yearlings-2 year olds like hatchlings? Hers are very pyramided right now bad,mine have stopped does not seem to be getting worse. They get great care all day I am caring for them I am home all day everyday (stay at home mom) fresh food good size enclosure ( will need to be bigger when they grow ) and they have outdoor enclosure as well so they get a lot of exercise . I do not let them walk around my house I have 3 dogs 2 cats and 2 monster toddlers haha.every day I'm learning more and more from this forum it's helping me become a better tortoise owner thank you all
 

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My specific information was for Sulcata and Hermanni only. I don't give advice on Redfoots, and I apologize if I was the only one who missed the redfoot part. I would have given advice for a Russian but the OP had a Hermanni so that's who my advice was for. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I apologize for giving advice on the wrong care. I'm gone....
Oh your good I didn't need advice on the red foots just the baby Russians and Leigti helped me a lot with my questions now I can rest easy tonight ☺️Thank you both so much I learned a lot about caring for pyramiding on this thread
 

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We got a few different conversations about different tortoises on here so its little confusing lol I do not know anything about caring for sulcatas or Hermans wish I did though :( . Thank you Maggie3fan and Leigti for helping me out and answering all my questions! I feel so much better after this thread
 
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I just checked and my substrate is dry on top nice and wet at bottom I like adding humidifiers because I live in Colorado very dry here I like having them for my skin, I hooked up a humidifier to my red foots keeps my enclosure in the 80s for humidity so I'm going to do that with my Russian yearlings .i can't give them 12 hrs of sun right now cuz winter but anytime it's sunny and warm their outside in their outdoor enclosure . They will live outside in the warm months. Their doing really good very healthy this was the girls 2nd clutch so I don't think she knows exactly what to do yet I will have to send her your post cuz I don't know how to explain it to her . Thank you guys for your great advice helps a lot :) I was just curious since she didn't take the best care of them if they were pyramiding .

you can give them 12 hours of UVB light tho. You're making it so the calcium in their systems won't work. They cannot digest food oh never mind
 

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you can give them 12 hours of UVB light tho. You're making it so the calcium in their systems won't work. They cannot digest food oh never mind
Oh yes of coarse they have their light on for 12 hrs but Suns always best :) their outside today it's 70 here in Colorado been a gorgeous fall
 

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Thanks :) she/he is my little cutie, I think I've been spoiling her with her new larger enclosure and now she burrows in random spots and it's like finding a needle in a hay stack lol I think she will be back in her lower walled enclosure soon since I've figured out how to regulate heat and humidity to where it needs to be, less substrate = less hiding spots from mommy.
How bigs your enclosure? That's so cute! My red foot enclosure is 7ftX 6ft Its deff like finding a needle in the hay stack! Here's a picture of my red foot enclosure
 

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This is where she has choosen to sleep even though she has two hides with sphagnum moss one in cool area and one in warm, I read a care sheet on theturtlesource.com that said when you see them settling down for the nigh to place them in their sleepy area, not sure if I should or if I should just let her choose for herself? Also if anyone can chime in, is it normal during the transition period of coming into a new home to eat very little? It's been a week since I've had her and it seems like some days she'd rather just bask or sleep and hardly eat, she's about 6 weeks if that helps
I just got two yearling redfoots yesterday and their about 3inches and they haven't stopped eating but my girl foxy was like that when I got her she was being picky . It takes months for them to starve , make sure she's hydrated and she'll be good . Tortoises hate change so it does take them a bit to get comfortable in their new area. Mine go to sleep in their hide every night I don't put them in there they go on their own I have their hide with moss and I keep it tiny bit moist like in the wild when they burrow somewhere to sleep its humid so I tried recreating that for them and they love their hide
 

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This is where she has choosen to sleep even though she has two hides with sphagnum moss one in cool area and one in warm, I read a care sheet on theturtlesource.com that said when you see them settling down for the nigh to place them in their sleepy area, not sure if I should or if I should just let her choose for herself? Also if anyone can chime in, is it normal during the transition period of coming into a new home to eat very little? It's been a week since I've had her and it seems like some days she'd rather just bask or sleep and hardly eat, she's about
Mines only 38"x 18" and her substrate is only 4" but tortellini is only 2" so she gets lost easily lol,
Mines only 38"x 18" and her substrate is only 4" but tortellini is only 2" so she gets lost easily lol,
i made mine really big even though mine are small 3inches , so I wouldn't have to build another when they got bigger they don't like change and I want them to be comfortable in their home , in the spring it'll have a tortoise door leading out to their outdoor enclosure so they can go in and out whenever :)
 

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I got mine in the mail for Az Sulcata and Wendy had scratched her eye in shipment and her eyes were bothering her for a day, I soaked her a lot and she's doing so good and she's been eating great so I might be worried if Tortellini still isn't eating . Have you taken her/him to vet for check up? Are your temps correct? There can be a few reasons why she's not eating good yet
 

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I believe I'm doing a great job caring for my tortoises :). The Russians babies I got had a little pyramiding going on when I got them and it has stopped, I looked at the lady's remainder babies she has for sale and their pyramiding is so horrible now I feel bad for the babies :( I don't know how to tell her in a nice way that she's not taking care of them correctly. I've never seen babies with such bad pyramiding before their not even a year old yet :( . I screen shot a picture of one of her babies that's still for sale, you can see how bad their pyramiding is image.png
 
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We got a few different conversations about different tortoises on here so its little confusing lol I do not know anything about caring for sulcatas or Hermans wish I did though :( . Thank you Maggie3fan and Leigti for helping me out and answering all my questions! I feel so much better after this thread

You need to make your own threads so this type of confusion does not happen. You have the freedom here to make any thread you need to. But it's called "hi-jacking", when you change the subject from the OP's Hermanni to your Redfoots. My advice was for Hermanni, so don't thank me for helping you, as I didn't. So it was YOU that started the confusion, and the rest of us that got a nasty warning. They have special sections with listings for all the different species. Go to the Redfoot section, for instance, and ask your questions, and you'll get care information from Redfoot experts, not from a Sulcata or Hermanni person. I hope this helps you and I know this will get you better advice on your new Redfoots and Russians.
 

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You need to make your own threads so this type of confusion does not happen. You have the freedom here to make any thread you need to. But it's called "hi-jacking", when you change the subject from the OP's Hermanni to your Redfoots. My advice was for Hermanni, so don't thank me for helping you, as I didn't. So it was YOU that started the confusion, and the rest of us that got a nasty warning. They have special sections with listings for all the different species. Go to the Redfoot section, for instance, and ask your questions, and you'll get care information from Redfoot experts, not from a Sulcata or Hermanni person. I hope this helps you and I know this will get you better advice on your new Redfoots and Russians.
I believe they moved it to my own thread now so no more confusion , didn't mean to hijack someone's post and you did help me you gave great advice it's neat learning about different species . I found the different species section I didn't know they had that awesome :)
 

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