Shipping tortoises...

Kapidolo Farms · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
If I wanted to be sensitive I'd say your first line is sort of snarky. How's that relevant to anything...
For what it's worth I'm doing a change of career at 51. School FT and two PT jobs. Butcher to barber. So now that's out of the way..

I have no intention of breeding etc,so shipping isn't something I personally need to do. So I guess it's safe to keep my red foot.
BTW--I've driven 6 hrs one way,while on a chemo pump for less than a $50 tort. So,yes, I would.

I wasn't baiting or trolling at all. I'm sorry it was taken that way. Maybe taking out the word " so" could have helped? I'll still say if people weren't so sensitive it wouldn't have been taken that way.

Have you seen how " concerned" shippers are????? It's crazy how they throw things around etc... You said yourself,you're always " tense" and "find great relief"....Why would you feel that way if it was so safe and done frequently? Imagine how the tort feels bouncing around.
If people want to ship, and hope it all goes well,that's on them. Just not my thing, and I was only asking how it's done,and why someone would do it. It just seemed contrary to keeping its life stress free,but to sell one we can excuse that stress to make a dollar. I get it now.

I didn't want or intend to start any animosity as Inenjoy this site. Very informative.
Almost sorry I brought it up....

I feel all those things when I commute too, which I do everyday. Things I care about in the control of others create the opportunity for concern. That's pretty simple to understand, right? Concern does not equal bad resource use/planning.

The biggest difference is, this is something you would not do, and I would. I am indeed concerned with the animals well being, right now when I'm at work and the animals are at my home, when I buy food for them, I;m concerned about the history of the food, when I pick weeds I'm concerned about pesticide drift, concern is the guide-house of responsible action taking and decision making.

As for the value of the animal in some sort of correlation to how they are shipped. think about the frequency of vehicle wrecks and million dollar horses being trailered or flown somewhere. It's a risk, and the owners have concern. That is why concern is a good thing, CONCERN = GOOD.

Jodie · Aug 4, 2016

To imply those of us that ship are not concerned with our tortoises well being is an assumption based on your lack of knowledge, and is insulting. Saying we are willing to sacrifice their health and or safety to make a buck is also very offensive. I put my grandchildren in a car and drive them places too. There are risks in everything we do.

Tidgy's Dad · Aug 4, 2016

I hate travelling in cars and avoid doing so as much as possible.( i would never own one myself.)
I'm fairly certain that tortoises don't much like it either.
But until someone invents the teleport, (I'm a bit busy right now, but next year, perhaps)how do we get ourselves, or our animals from point A to point B ?
The transportation of animals for the pet trade is necessary, it's rather silly to suggest otherwise.
Not everyone has their own car or the time to transport animals in their own vehicle across huge countries like the USA or indeed here in Morocco.
Therefore we must rely on reliable carriers.
Like most systems, it's not flawless, but some of these businesses are respectable and exist on their reputations.
The ones with a good rep where the animals arrive safely and in good condition will be those that are used by buyers, sellers and anyone who inquires.
It's not ideal, but what is ?

BrianWI · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
For what it's worth I'm doing a change of career at 51. School FT and two PT jobs. Butcher to barber. So now that's out of the way..

Oh, so it is ok to cut animals into pieces to make a buck, but shipping them... no.

Levi the Leopard · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
But I'm curious as to why ,and how, one would ship a tort if they're so concerned about its well being etc...

Thanks

Howdy

I care about my tortoise very much. I'm very concerned about his well being.
When I moved from CA to OR I wanted to bring him with me. No one can care for him as good as I can. (I'm biased because he's mine

)

He had to sit in a small dark box in my car for the 12 hour journey (the same as overnight shipping). He slept through the whole thing. That was much better for him than leaving him behind!

So to answer you:
Why? Because I'm attached to my pet tortoise and want to keep him.
How? In a small temp contolled box after emptying the bladder/bowels in a warm soak.
All BECAUSE I am concerned about his well being

How did you acquire your reptiles? Did you walk them home from the store? Drive them in a car?

Levi the Leopard · Aug 4, 2016

To add, I have both shipped and received turtles and tortoises with the FedEx overnight delivery. Never had a problem.

Robyn@TRR · Aug 4, 2016

Shipping can seem daunting your first time, but it is actually a simple and safe experience.

If you ship with proper packaging (very important) and within proper temperature parameters (also very important) you should expect complete success. Most animals shipped are babies or juvies, and they are def easier to package and ship than full size adults.

We have detailed packaging and shipping information at our site ShipYourReptiles.com, along with a customer service staff that can walk you through the steps if you have questions.

Check out our FB page, where we have tortoise shipping and packaging photo tutorials as well. This excellent album by Garden State Tortoise- https://www.facebook.com/SYReptiles/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1045319155491250

Kapidolo Farms · Aug 4, 2016

BrianWI said:
Oh, so it is ok to cut animals into pieces to make a buck, but shipping them... no.

I eat some of those animals, so yeah, it's okay for me. lol

Eatapeach · Aug 4, 2016

BrianWI said:
Oh, so it is ok to cut animals into pieces to make a buck, but shipping them... no.

I saw that reply coming when I wrote it...you eat beef,chicken,pork?? You consider eating nessecary? It is,and someone has to get it ready for you. How long can you go without eating? Keeping/shipping animals is a hobby, not Needed to sustain life.

Jodie said:
To imply those of us that ship are not concerned with our tortoises well being is an assumption based on your lack of knowledge, and is insulting. Saying we are willing to sacrifice their health and or safety to make a buck is also very offensive. I put my grandchildren in a car and drive them places too. There are risks in everything we do.

I never said people weren't concerned. I asked if they are,how and why do they do it. And as far as lack of knowledge,that's why I asked in the first place.. But people got ruffled by the wording... And it went downhill from there.
This is almost silly at this point

Robyn@TRR said:
Shipping can seem daunting your first time, but it is actually a simple and safe experience.

If you ship with proper packaging (very important) and within proper temperature parameters (also very important) you should expect complete success. Most animals shipped are babies or juvies, and they are def easier to package and ship than full size adults.

We have detailed packaging and shipping information at our site ShipYourReptiles.com, along with a customer service staff that can walk you through the steps if you have questions.

Check out our FB page, where we have tortoise shipping and packaging photo tutorials as well. This excellent album by Garden State Tortoise- https://www.facebook.com/SYReptiles/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1045319155491250

This.... This is all I asked for in my OP. But people took it personally.
I'm sorry if I offended people. It wasn't meant to be. If written txt came out that way,it wasn't meant to,and I said as much and apologized right away when I was called out.

Tidgy's Dad · Aug 4, 2016

Eating meat is not necessary to sustain life. (though I do it, yuuuuummmmmmmyyyy)
And how do farmers move their livestock and poultry around the countryside including to the slaughterhouse ?
And I bet most pets are transported in better conditions than some of those chickens and cows.

Levi the Leopard · Aug 4, 2016

Robyn@TRR said:
Shipping can seem daunting your first time, but it is actually a simple and safe experience.

If you ship with proper packaging (very important) and within proper temperature parameters (also very important) you should expect complete success. Most animals shipped are babies or juvies, and they are def easier to package and ship than full size adults.

We have detailed packaging and shipping information at our site ShipYourReptiles.com, along with a customer service staff that can walk you through the steps if you have questions.

Check out our FB page, where we have tortoise shipping and packaging photo tutorials as well. This excellent album by Garden State Tortoise- https://www.facebook.com/SYReptiles/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1045319155491250

Ship your reptiles is how I did it! They really do help make it easy

Kapidolo Farms · Aug 4, 2016

Tidgy's Dad said:
Eating meat is not necessary to sustain life. (though I do it, yuuuuummmmmmmyyyy)
And how do farmers move their livestock and poultry around the countryside including to the slaughterhouse ?
And I bet most pets are transported in better conditions than some of those chickens and cows.

Nine out of 10 Vegans/Vegetarians say if they went back to eating meat it would for flying pig bacon.

Tidgy's Dad · Aug 4, 2016

Will said:
Nine out of 10 Vegans/Vegetarians say if they went back to eating meat it would for flying pig bacon.

Bacon was what did for me when I tried going veggie 32 years ago
But i get the flying pig bit.

wellington · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
I saw that reply coming when I wrote it...you eat beef,chicken,pork?? You consider eating nessecary? It is,and someone has to get it ready for you. How long can you go without eating? Keeping/shipping animals is a hobby, not Needed to sustain life.

I never said people weren't concerned. I asked if they are,how and why do they do it. And as far as lack of knowledge,that's why I asked in the first place.. But people got ruffled by the wording... And it went downhill from there.
This is almost silly at this point

This.... This is all I asked for in my OP. But people took it personally.
I'm sorry if I offended people. It wasn't meant to be. If written txt came out that way,it wasn't meant to,and I said as much and apologized right away when I was called out.

Don't worry about it. Some people won't read every post. So they won't see that you didn't mean it the way some are taking it and that you had already tried to apologize and explain. Also, once someone gets into a tizzy, others seem to think they must follow along in the same tone. Luckily in this country you have a choice. If it's not for you, then it's not for you. There's no shortage of tortoises in any area really that I can think of, some species yes. So you are able to choose not to use shipping.
I refused to ship puppies/dogs when I was a breeder. Still wouldn't do it today if I was still breeding. My choice, as this is your choice. Nothing wrong with those that choose to ship as long as the care is taken.

deadheadvet · Aug 4, 2016

My time has value. I am not going to spend 4 hours each way for an animal that has little monetary value. I happily have received all kind of animals via USPS, FEDEX, DELTA. Kudos to you for willing to drive long distance. I have multiple animals that value over 30K. Knowing the shipper will alleviate any stress to the animals and buyer.

Rue · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
...
I have no intention of breeding etc,so shipping isn't something I personally need to do. So I guess it's safe to keep my red foot.
BTW--I've driven 6 hrs one way,while on a chemo pump for less than a $50 tort. So,yes, I would....

I also pick up my animals in person where possible. So I appeciate your asking.

I was going to...and chickened out. Now you know why...lol.

*bwok bwok bwok*

Markw84 · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
If written txt came out that way,it wasn't meant to,and I said as much and apologized right away when I was called out.

I find it fascinating how people see and defend something they think they said or meant, even when it is simply not there. Do you mind if I ask - where did you "apologize right away"?

Eric Phillips · Aug 4, 2016

Eatapeach said:
If I wanted to be sensitive I'd say your first line is sort of snarky. How's that relevant to anything...
For what it's worth I'm doing a change of career at 51. School FT and two PT jobs. Butcher to barber. So now that's out of the way..

I have no intention of breeding etc,so shipping isn't something I personally need to do. So I guess it's safe to keep my red foot.
BTW--I've driven 6 hrs one way,while on a chemo pump for less than a $50 tort. So,yes, I would.

I wasn't baiting or trolling at all. I'm sorry it was taken that way. Maybe taking out the word " so" could have helped? I'll still say if people weren't so sensitive it wouldn't have been taken that way.

Have you seen how " concerned" shippers are????? It's crazy how they throw things around etc... You said yourself,you're always " tense" and "find great relief"....Why would you feel that way if it was so safe and done frequently? Imagine how the tort feels bouncing around.
If people want to ship, and hope it all goes well,that's on them. Just not my thing, and I was only asking how it's done,and why someone would do it. It just seemed contrary to keeping its life stress free,but to sell one we can excuse that stress to make a dollar. I get it now.

I didn't want or intend to start any animosity as Inenjoy this site. Very informative.
Almost sorry I brought it up....

In here Mark! I think it's time to move on folks to about shipping not about misunderstanding.

ALDABRAMAN · Aug 4, 2016

~ I must say we truly do not like to ship, simply not worth the risk for us. We would prefer not to ship and delay a sale to another customer.

Eatapeach · Aug 4, 2016

deadheadvet said:
My time has value. I am not going to spend 4 hours each way for an animal that has little monetary value. I happily have received all kind of animals via USPS, FEDEX, DELTA. Kudos to you for willing to drive long distance. I have multiple animals that value over 30K. Knowing the shipper will alleviate any stress to the animals and buyer.

Theres my issue to the ones flaming because I mentioned "it's for a buck"
Again based on implications... You'd drive four hrs for an expensive animal, but not one " that has little monetary value" ?
So it's not about the animals welfare,it's about yours? Right? It's a business for you

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