Bladder stone

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
This can't be a bladder stone right? I found two of them in the enclosure and they're pretty much rock hard accept i managed to break of the tip of this one

stone.jpg
 

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
This can't be a bladder stone right? I found two of them in the enclosure and they're pretty much rock hard accept i managed to break of the tip of this one
Well, it 'could be'. But I can't see the color, is it off white with a brown center?
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
Well, it 'could be'. But I can't see the color, is it off white with a brown center?
t it's not round at all and arent bladder stone usually round? I broke it apart with a hammer and this is what it looked like some brown element but not really brown pretty much just white
 

Attachments

  • opotr.jpg
    opotr.jpg
    397.2 KB · Views: 31
Last edited:

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
t it's not round at all and arent bladder stone usually round? I broke it apart with a hammer and this is what it looked like some brown element but not really brown pretty much just white
I will stick out my neck here, I "think" it might be,so keep the tort hydrated and a watchful eye. But something that small says as my rebel son would say "it ain't no thing"
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
I will stick out my neck here, I "think" it might be,so keep the tort hydrated and a watchful eye. But something that small says as my rebel son would say "it ain't no thing"
Ok it's just that i found two of these stones and is that really normal that they would pass two? I also was at the vets last mondays and xrayed and there were no bladder stones
 

ZenHerper

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 27, 2020
Messages
2,078
Location (City and/or State)
New Jersey
Your veterinary office can send it to their lab for analysis to see what this is...is it a rock, piece of concrete, bladder calculus, kidney stone...?

Feeding herbivorous reptiles too much protein can cause an excess of nitrogenous waste that can become crystalline in the urine. Dehydration makes this process worse.

Over-supplementing minerals (or supplementing in the wrong ratios) can damage the kidneys and/or change the way that urine is produced. Minerals can be excreted in large amounts and then get bound to ordinary nitrogen-based molecules, creating first jagged crystals, then sediment/grit, then eventually stones that are too large to pass out of the bladder.

Kidney and bladder stones are often irregular in shape, depending on what they are made of. In dogs and cats, bladder stones become smooth when a number of them jumble around in the bladder and rub against each other over time (a single stone may be round, but is very rough on the outside surface). Tortoises end up having one giant layered stone glob surgically removed when the metabolic imbalance goes undetected.

A lab analysis will tell you exactly what this stone is made of, and what action to take.
 

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
Ok it's just that i found two of these stones and is that really normal that they would pass two?
when it's just starting there could be several 'stones' that size. But I'm not really sure they are stones. Sometimes there are little rocks in the substrate.
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
when it's just starting there could be several 'stones' that size. But I'm not really sure they are stones. Sometimes there are little rocks in the substrate.
yes it also had black marks and spots on the stones. and as i said they were pretty much rock hard accept i could manage to break a little piece of. It just really feels like it wouldnt be a bladder stone And as i also said i was at the vet last mondays and xrayed and no stones then.
 
Last edited:

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
yes it also had black marks and spots on it and as i said they were pretty much rock hard accept i could menage to break a little piece of. It just really feels like it wouldnt be a bladder stone
Here is what I wrote about bladder stones...

 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
Here is what I wrote about bladder stones...

I found another one while digging in his subsrate this one looks about the same as the other ones and it's also completely rock hard. I read your post and it was relly good to see different cases of blaadder stone and what i found does not really look like those you posted.
 

Attachments

  • åå.jpg
    åå.jpg
    309.9 KB · Views: 9

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
I found another one while digging in his subsrate this one looks about the same as the other ones and it's also completely rock hard. I read your post and it was relly good to see different cases of blaadder stone and what i found does not really look like those you posted.
So unless you want to pay for an analysis, do not obsess, the only supplement you should use is calcium w/d3, 2 pinches a week and keep him hydrated well hydrated. Also, help him get as much exercise as possible, get him outside walking around on grass. No walking around in the house for him!!!
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
So unless you want to pay for an analysis, do not obsess, the only supplement you should use is calcium w/d3, 2 pinches a week and keep him hydrated well hydrated. Also, help him get as much exercise as possible, get him outside walking around on grass. No walking around in the house for him!!!
Ok but so you do think it is an bladder stone also he is well hydrated and i would find hard to belive otherwise. Also i wish i could get him outside right now but it's super cold so thats not possible, but he is getting alot of excersise in his enclosure and does have some grass in his enclosure he goes thru sometimes.
 

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
Ok but so you do think it is an bladder stone also he is well hydrated and i would find hard to belive otherwise. Also i wish i could get him outside right now but it's super cold so thats not possible, but he is getting alot of excersise in his enclosure and does have some grass in his enclosure he goes thru sometimes.
No, I do not necessarily think it is a stone, but just in case it is...I told you the things you need to do now to keep any stone from getting bigger. IF, maybe it is a stone there's a better chance of passing it being well hydrated.
However, my 100+ pound 17 yr old Sulcata, Bob, was the most hydrated Sulcata that ever walked. What is now my box turtle pen, he had a swimming hole that was up to my knees, he freakin loved to swim. Well, maybe I should say he liked to soak and walk under the water. During the winter when he couldn't go out he drank from a xxlarge non-spillable dog water dish.
I spent a lot of time with Bob and I can honestly say I saw him drink pretty much daily. So even tho I kept Bob the way they should be kept, somehow he had that 1 pound stone, he got major surgery, and died in my bathroom on my lap
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
No, I do not necessarily think it is a stone, but just in case it is...I told you the things you need to do now to keep any stone from getting bigger. IF, maybe it is a stone there's a better chance of passing it being well hydrated.
However, my 100+ pound 17 yr old Sulcata, Bob, was the most hydrated Sulcata that ever walked. What is now my box turtle pen, he had a swimming hole that was up to my knees, he freakin loved to swim. Well, maybe I should say he liked to soak and walk under the water. During the winter when he couldn't go out he drank from a xxlarge non-spillable dog water dish.
I spent a lot of time with Bob and I can honestly say I saw him drink pretty much daily. So even tho I kept Bob the way they should be kept, somehow he had that 1 pound stone, he got major surgery, and died in my bathroom on my lap
Ok i will make sure he keeps weel hydrated and active. i might just get the stones checked out just incase so i wont have to worry about possibly nothing. Also normally arent you able to sort of crumble the small stones apart with you're nails becuse you deffinatly can't do that with these stones.
 

Maggie3fan

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2018
Messages
8,046
Location (City and/or State)
PacificNorthWest
Ok i will make sure he keeps weel hydrated and active. i might just get the stones checked out just incase so i wont have to worry about possibly nothing. Also normally arent you able to sort of crumble the small stones apart with you're nails becuse you deffinatly can't do that with these stones.
The last photo I posted was hard as a rock and I cut it with a sharp knife. Bob's stone is visibly flaking but that alone is not definitive
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
The last photo I posted was hard as a rock and I cut it with a sharp knife. Bob's stone is visibly flaking but that alone is not definitive
I saw someone say that if you put the stones in something acidic like apple cider vinegar they would disolve sinse they're made of calcium i tried it and they did not dissolve at all. I guess thats a good sign? Also i am not sure if i made this clear but i can't for certain say the stones i found has ever been inside him since i just found them in the substrate as i have with many other rocks, the reason i posted about trhese ones i found is juist becuse i thought theyu kind of looked like bladder stones.
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
I would love to get a third eye on this pictures to really try and determine whether it's a bladder stone or just a regular stone .@Tom @Yvonne G could you help me out?
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
I found another werid looking stone in the enclosure searching thru the substrate altough this one i am 99% sure is not a bladder stone since it looks almost like a crystal and when you put it up to light the light shines thru it.
 

Attachments

  • cle.jpg
    cle.jpg
    265.4 KB · Views: 17
Last edited:

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
He just passed some urates that were soft on the outside but kinda sandy on the inside, but i think thats becuse former problems like that he had it to dry until a bit more than a month ago and this is just the aftermath since he has high humidity gets soaked everyday and i spray his food with water. If he did have a bladder stone problem the urates would have been much harder right?
 

yay14

Active Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2020
Messages
255
Location (City and/or State)
stockholm
I would love to get a third eye on this pictures to really try and determine whether it's a bladder stone or just a regular stone . @Tom would you help me out?
 

New Posts

Top