Emo Tortoise?

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Maybe you could use a plastic bin, for now, as stated above, I know you put alot of work in to the encloser you have, but if changes would help him get better, it's worth it, and just maybe put it in a table, so he's up off the floor, I know setting up a new encloser isn't fun, but trust me, it's well worth it , I know you want him to be healthy and your worried , if not you wouldn't be here, and i Know sometimes words are harsh, but they are good people who want to help, and they have big hearts, please please don't let hurt feeling get in the way of helping your baby, get back to health
 

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I hate to be the one to say this, but that's not safe either, yes it's cute and all, but nails of a dog are very different, painting the shell with any thing even nontoxic dog nail polish will block the shell from the sunlight or uvb, being taken in by the shell, this is very important for there health without this they will ,not grow correctly, and in time leads to a slow painful death, I am not trying to me nasty or rude only save you and your baby from alot of heartache later on, plus dogs nails don't take in the paint the same way a tortoises shell does, the make up is very different, just like dog shampoo is not safe for cats, most of the time, unless made for both, the paint for dog nails isn't safe for the tortoises, even though it may seem like one product made for animals would be the same for all it isn't
Try hanks... I guess I hadn’t thought about the polish that way. It’s fine got nails and fine for hermit crab shells do I made assumption and maybe I shouldn’t have. I don’t think you’re rude at all. Tom was rude... thanks for your comment though... I painted him in dec for the holidays after giving him a coconut oil rub.
unlije other comments... my wife and I are educated. I came here for advice and thank you for yours... thanks. Really. I don’t want to kill Harold Archibald... I came here for help from people likely having more experience than I do ?
 

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Try hanks... I guess I hadn’t thought about the polish that way. It’s fine got nails and fine for hermit crab shells do I made assumption and maybe I shouldn’t have. I don’t think you’re rude at all. Tom was rude... thanks for your comment though... I painted him in dec for the holidays after giving him a coconut oil rub.
unlije other comments... my wife and I are educated. I came here for advice and thank you for yours... thanks. Really. I don’t want to kill Harold Archibald... I came here for help from people likely having more experience than I do ?
Your welcome,
 

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Maybe you could use a plastic bin, for now, as stated above, I know you put alot of work in to the encloser you have, but if changes would help him get better, it's worth it, and just maybe put it in a table, so he's up off the floor, I know setting up a new encloser isn't fun, but trust me, it's well worth it , I know you want him to be healthy and your worried , if not you wouldn't be here, and i Know sometimes words are harsh, but they are good people who want to help, and they have big hearts, please please don't let hurt feeling get in the way of helping your baby, get back to health
Ya I have a large Tupperware thing I use to feed my ball python.., I had 4 but kept one after breaking up with ex... it’s just not clear so I didn’t want to put Harold Archibald in there then he can’t see... a complication is I can’t just walk into a pet shop to but lighting and substrates due to CORONAVIRUS limitations. We’ve been locked down for weeks so we are good! But businesses are closed ??‍♀️ Not concerned about cost... we aren’t struggling there at all. I just don’t like how one person in particular treats me like a needy idiot when I’m not ignorant... I know I don’t know everything so that why I came here Yknow? Thank you ??
 

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Ya I have a large Tupperware thing I use to feed my ball python.., I had 4 but kept one after breaking up with ex... it’s just not clear so I didn’t want to put Harold Archibald in there then he can’t see... a complication is I can’t just walk into a pet shop to but lighting and substrates due to CORONAVIRUS limitations. We’ve been locked down for weeks so we are good! But businesses are closed ??‍♀️ Not concerned about cost... we aren’t struggling there at all. I just don’t like how one person in particular treats me like a needy idiot when I’m not ignorant... I know I don’t know everything so that why I came here Yknow? Thank you ??
What state are you in? Here in Michigan we are to but pet supplies are allowed to be open, if not in your state try online, but honestly the plastic container would be better , for his Heath and it can be short term till you can find better, he means well, he's just very to the point, and maybe wet what you have a little, so it's not so dry till you can get the right stuff, it would help a little,
 

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What state are you in? Here in Michigan we are to but pet supplies are allowed to be open, if not in your state try online, but honestly the plastic container would be better , for his Heath and it can be short term till you can find better, he means well, he's just very to the point, and maybe wet what you have a little, so it's not so dry till you can get the right stuff, it would help a little,
i hope you have found some help here, and all gets better soon,
 

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What state are you in? Here in Michigan we are to but pet supplies are allowed to be open, if not in your state try online, but honestly the plastic container would be better , for his Heath and it can be short term till you can find better, he means well, he's just very to the point, and maybe wet what you have a little, so it's not so dry till you can get the right stuff, it would help a little,
I’m in la county/Ventura county, southern Cali. We been on lockdown for two solid weeks so pet places been closed for a while
 

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I’m in la county/Ventura county, southern Cali. We been on lockdown for two solid weeks so pet places been closed for a while
Also I worked in Corp America as a trainer. I have thick skin. There’s a difference... he’s rude. I get that he knows much. I’m not killing my tortoise or ignorant. I thanked him. He’s rude. I can handle being objective.
 

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I’m in la county/Ventura county, southern Cali. We been on lockdown for two solid weeks so pet places been closed for a while
Try online, were not in total lock down here but almost, i don't know how you are doing it out there, it's hard here, with a. Few places being open,
 

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Also I worked in Corp America as a trainer. I have thick skin. There’s a difference... he’s rude. I get that he knows much. I’m not killing my tortoise or ignorant. I thanked him. He’s rude. I can handle being objective.
I understand his words where harsh, but try to let that go, for your self, it's not good for the soul to carry bad, feeling, it harms the one carrying it, my grandma sadly she passed today, but in her honor, I will share some of here wisdom, anger and bad feelings, are corrosive, and corroded the container that holds them, but even with bad feelings you have, he does have great advice, try to look over his care sheets, I had my tortoises for Ten years, and learned alot of things I didn't know, even after ten years I was making some miss takes, after reading the information he puts out, yes I knew alot of the information, as I am sure you already know alot of the information, but it's worth reading, because even as a long time owner I still learned I wasn't doing everything right,
 

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I’m not ignorant. I came for advice since I can’t take to a vet right now. Ignorant would be if I acted like I know everything and DIDNT ask for help. You’ve called names. I haven’t. I thanked you. You aren’t helping by dragging me down. Just go away and grace others with what you call help. I didn’t even read your last reply because you’re a jerk. Other comments were nice. I never said or pretended to know everything but will definitely report your rude ***.
If you are not ignorant, then you are intentionally mistreating this tortoise. I don't think that is the case. I think you got bad tortoise advice, and you don't know how to care for this species correctly. Its going to cost your tortoise its life if you don't listen.

You don't need a vet. There is nothing a vet can do to fix this tortoise's enclosure, temperatures, and living conditions.

What name did I call you? I haven't called you any names at all. When you are done reporting my rude ***, please read the advice you've been given here and get your tortoise warm and hydrated before it is too late.
 

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Ya I have a large Tupperware thing I use to feed my ball python.., I had 4 but kept one after breaking up with ex... it’s just not clear so I didn’t want to put Harold Archibald in there then he can’t see... a complication is I can’t just walk into a pet shop to but lighting and substrates due to CORONAVIRUS limitations. We’ve been locked down for weeks so we are good! But businesses are closed ??‍♀️ Not concerned about cost... we aren’t struggling there at all. I just don’t like how one person in particular treats me like a needy idiot when I’m not ignorant... I know I don’t know everything so that why I came here Yknow? Thank you ??
I hate to be that person to derail the thread, but if you are moving your ball python to feed, definitely don’t continue. Moving to feed offers no benefit, and creates a risk for regurgitation as well as unnecessary stress. “Cage aggression” is a myth, if that’s why you’re doing it, and ingesting substrate is not an issue considering they can digest bone and fur.

Also note that hermit crab shells should not be painted for a myriad of other reasons, so I would seriously doubt the legitimacy of any paint claiming to be safe for it.

Here’s a nice post from another reptile site that goes into more detail :)
 

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No. YOU look. You are killing that baby tortoise with ignorance. You came here asking for help. I helped you. If you already know its colder down on the floor, then why is your baby tropical reptile in an open topped enclosure down there on the floor with one little inadequate heat source??? None of MY babies are sleeping al the time, failing to bask, or not eating...

Yes people let their tortoises walk freely, and those tortoises usually get sick, injured, lost, or dead. We see it here all the time, and we try to HELP people understand why its dangerous and why they shouldn't be doing it.

My responses to your initial request were not rude. They were direct and to the point. You are reading rudeness into it. This current response is a little rude, but not entirely undeserved. I'm not here to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I'm here to help your tortoise live a long healthy happy life, and to help you understand what you are doing wrong, and how to do it right. I'm not a diplomat. I'm someone who has been keeping and breeding sulcatas for three decades and had to learn the hard way what works and what doesn't because there was no "rude" guy on a tortoise forugm to tell me what I was doing wrong. The tortoises paid the price for my ignorance back in those days. Your tortoise doesn't have to.
@Tom , Now THERE is a response not warm and fuzzy, but truly direct without being unnecessarily firm, condescending, or sarcastic (excepting the first sentence....? lol). ❤it!
 

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I’m in la county/Ventura county, southern Cali. We been on lockdown for two solid weeks so pet places been closed for a while
You don't need pet places. You need a hardware store. Home Depot is open. And if there is something needed from a pet store, you can call in an order and they will be happy to bring it out to you. My co-worker just picked up some new frogs yesterday from a local reptile shop and they brought them out to his car.
 

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Try online, were not in total lock down here but almost, i don't know how you are doing it out there, it's hard here, with a. Few places being open,
Ya even with prime membership, it’s taking weeks for stuff to get delivered. Then of course if what I order isn’t quite right, returning is a nightmare and all the back and forth. I wanted to know if something wrong since I can’t just go to a vet. Clearly lots is wrong and I will address everything as best I can. Maybe firstly trying to remove the paint without agitating too much and give him another coconut oil rub... then see what I can do for his “palace”. I just know reptiles grow more with more space so I thought it was cool when my wife built that home. I don’t feel comfortable asking questions here anymore though. I’m Buddhist and chill. I don’t know why Tom felt it was ok to be rude and offensive to me. I didn’t ask him specifically for help so he didn’t have to. Thanks for your help and suggestions though.
 

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I hate to be that person to derail the thread, but if you are moving your ball python to feed, definitely don’t continue. Moving to feed offers no benefit, and creates a risk for regurgitation as well as unnecessary stress. “Cage aggression” is a myth, if that’s why you’re doing it, and ingesting substrate is not an issue considering they can digest bone and fur.

Also note that hermit crab shells should not be painted for a myriad of other reasons, so I would seriously doubt the legitimacy of any paint claiming to be safe for it.

Here’s a nice post from another reptile site that goes into more detail :)




Please don't feel that way, there are personal conflict now and then, but the advice is still very good, and as a Buddhist you know more than anyone the gift of moving past neg, feeling and the harm it causes, the encloser it self looks nice, and all, I can't say she didn't do a nice job, she did, it's just not exactly what he needs, but the plants are nice, the water is good, and this all can be correct, please try to understand different areas and personal difference do and always affect how we see things, I only ask you to give this a few days, and time to pass please read other threads, before you make up your mind, about the group, if this thread is upsetting you stop following it and let it be for now, this is by far one of the best forums out there, so please give it a few days to pass
 
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I hate to be that person to derail the thread, but if you are moving your ball python to feed, definitely don’t continue. Moving to feed offers no benefit, and creates a risk for regurgitation as well as unnecessary stress. “Cage aggression” is a myth, if that’s why you’re doing it, and ingesting substrate is not an issue considering they can digest bone and fur.

Also note that hermit crab shells should not be painted for a myriad of other reasons, so I would seriously doubt the legitimacy of any paint claiming to be safe for it.

Here’s a nice post from another reptile site that goes into more detail :)
Totally agree! I would never move a snake, especially a ball python, before or after eating. They are one of the most finicky eaters as it is. Handling of any kind after eating is just begging for any kind of issue from regurgitation (which causes damage due to the strong acids snakes have in their tummies) to various chances of organ damage since a snake isn’t done swallowing just because it’s mouth is closed. If you have a shy eater, I recommend putting a sheet over the cage, held on by clips or magnets.

squimish alert! Do not read past this if you are easily grossed out... you have been warned!


If she’s hard to feed, use a clean awl (buy one fresh from the hardware store for this purpose only) and puncture the skull of the mouse above the brain. For some reason, EVERY snake species I’ve ever had in my 30 years of raising and breeding reptiles has never missed a feeding if they can smell brain. it worked on wild caught specimens that refused thawed prey.
 

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Totally agree! I would never move a snake, especially a ball python, before or after eating. They are one of the most finicky eaters as it is. Handling of any kind after eating is just begging for any kind of issue from regurgitation (which causes damage due to the strong acids snakes have in their tummies) to various chances of organ damage since a snake isn’t done swallowing just because it’s mouth is closed. If you have a shy eater, I recommend putting a sheet over the cage, held on by clips or magnets.

squimish alert! Do not read past this if you are easily grossed out... you have been warned!


If she’s hard to feed, use a clean awl (buy one fresh from the hardware store for this purpose only) and puncture the skull of the mouse above the brain. For some reason, EVERY snake species I’ve ever had in my 30 years of raising and breeding reptiles has never missed a feeding if they can smell brain. it worked on wild caught specimens that refused thawed prey.
Know it's natural, and all but gross!! But I can't say we weren't , told, lol
 

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Look I’m not an idiot Tom so don’t talk to me like that. That first paragraph was rude. I know heat rises. Like I was saying, he has a heat source there so that adds to the temperature. And like I said, people let their tortoises walk freely so there’s that. You don’t have to be rude. You didn’t have to reply but I’m happy you did with some helpful info. I’m new to this and was looking for advice like anyone else here on this page.
We do not mean to be rude but we care and need you to realize your baby is dying.You must listen, so sad when people ask for advice and then dispute the advice given.You need a sense of urgency to make the changes NOW
 

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I’m not ignorant. I came for advice since I can’t take to a vet right now. Ignorant would be if I acted like I know everything and DIDNT ask for help. You’ve called names. I haven’t. I thanked you. You aren’t helping by dragging me down. Just go away and grace others with what you call help. I didn’t even read your last reply because you’re a jerk. Other comments were nice. I never said or pretended to know everything but will definitely report your rude ***.
The last person asking Tom for advice and called him rude was someone with 2 torts housed together and growing at different rates. Tom said to separate them, the little one was being bullied he was told no they loved each other and cuddled together. Tom told them it was not cuddling and a bunch of other stuff.His advice was disputed at every turn. A week later they sent a photo of the smaller tortoise with its head eaten off. And still disputed it was the bigger tort. If you care for that poor little tort make the changes now !
 

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