Yellow bellied or Cumberland?

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One of these was suppose to be a Cumberland but I think the are both Yellow bellied. Can anyone tell for sure? The firsy 2 are the male and the last 2 are the female.
 

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One of these was suppose to be a Cumberland but I think the are both Yellow bellied. Can anyone tell for sure? The firsy 2 are the male and the last 2 are the female.
These turtles do not look like yellow belly or Cumberlain sliders. From what I see, these turtles look like the Florida slider. Pseudenys floridana
 

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Ya we didn't think so either. So thought I would post something to see if I could find out what they are.
 

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The first one is his head and the second is her
 

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I still say Florida Slider, but its hard to be 100% as they do hybridize even in the wild. It is definitely a Pseudemys, and I say floridana. But all care for all Pseudemys is the same so you're good with that care info. A picture of the plastron would eliminate some possibilities too. A cumberlain would have spots on most all plastral scutes, while a Floridana would have some on mainly the first four, and a yellow belly would have a plain plastron with no markings. But we know it is not cumberlain or yellow belly. If you know where it came from originally could help too if wild caught. From the US we would only be left with nelsoni which normally will not have so many broad stripes on the head & neck and broader, often reddish, stripes in the carapace. Rubiventris, with normally a quite red tinted plastron and Peninsularis, which is a possibility, but the plastron will help as they have larger, often faded spots extending across scute borders, and Alabamensis
 
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Sorry forgot to finish -
Alabamensis would have thinner head and neck stripes (more like your second photo) and a pattern following the central seam of scutes on the plastron.
 

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1st pic is him 2nd is her
 

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Like Mark said, definitely Pseudemys. Unfortunately, determining which species will be more tricky without plastral shots. But yeah, with head striping of that nature, no way they could be Trachemys.

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Still not definitive, so may well be an intergrade. I still do see more classic floridana in these turtles. Peninsularis was, until recently, considered subspecies of the species Floridana. They have only recently been given separate species distinction. They can often be very difficult to differentiate.
 

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Female looks floridana to me. Male is probably a hybrid, but may be a peninsularis. Keep in mind that I don't live in Florida, so I don't know these particular species as well as I do those endemic to South Texas, but that would be my guess. Yeah, they're very difficult to tell apart. Regional variation is a very tricky thing, even within a single species. I mean, I can tell the difference between a Rio Grande cooter from the hill country river complex and one from the Rio Grande valley proper, and that is supposedly a single species. But you know, you see so many that after a while, you get a hold of how to spot the differences.

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