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Tom said:Oh, I am inspired by this Will. I am going to name them all, hang signs over the doors of their humid hides with their names, and I am now on the hunt for plastic palm trees and lawn ornaments! I'll bet if I trim the legs down, I could fit one of those pink flamingoes in my closed chamber. Since flamingoes occur in Africa, it would be a totally natural addition for my Geochelone pardalis pardalis enclosure!
That works, a 4 x 8 foot print enclosure is not in any way shape or form a temporary enclosure for people who use any enclosed chamber to push optimal conditions to sell their animals or get them outside. There are Flamingoes in America too. Then your three spot per scute S.
(G.) p. p. pardalis will have a great start in life.
Grandpa Turtle 144 said:Well I gess I got a real problem cause I'm not a tort keeper or a tort pet keeper
I think my torts are great " people keepers"
Cause I just enjoy the torts
Now there is a perspective I can find based in reality.
wellington said:I guess I'd rather see the "Barbie" style enclosures then those that are plain totes with no hope for a yard because they live in an apartment and have no yard to ever build their torts an outdoor enclosure. In a way, kinda the pot calling the kettle black. At least some of these "Barbie" enclosures have a chance of some day being outdoors or even a bigger enclosure, that's not just a tote.
The "enclosure" is not Barbie style Barb, the keeper is. And GPtort144 put the best possible spin on it, that could move what I was putting forth, more forward.
Mgridgaway said:EricIvins said:This is the difference between a "Pet" Tortoise owner, and a Tortoise keeper. A pet owner is more inclined to go to the local Petco and buy something flashy but more or less impractical to the care of the animal, versus a Tortoise keeper who shops at Home Depot looking for industrial use and practicality.
I think people can relate this to the Fish hobby more so than Reptiles. A true Fish keeper will have live rock, coral, plants, etc versus a pet owner who has a bubble wand and a resin Spongebob figurine. The people that have been around the block know what you are trying to convey...
To be fair, I consider myself a pet owner, not a tortoise keeper, AND I built my own table exclusively from Home Depot... Personally, I like the outside of my enclosure to look nice, especially since it takes up so much space. But the inside is entirely utilitarian. The only cute things in there are the torts.
Not entirely sure why my original thread mushroomed into this discussion, but ok.
Well, that is why I made the concept it's own thread, no point in mixing more the facts of the taxonomy as they are mixed with marketing and the number of spots in a scute with the nature of being an animal keeper.
I make the exteriors look good for my Mom, she looks at the enclosures and the animals as much as I do during visits. However my wife is a practical woman beyond compare, and laments the time to make the outside look nice versus the time to care for the inhabitants, so I don't fool with exterior aesthetics much nay more. Mom's OK with that.