georgeandbessy
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I have a Hermann male who is 13 and I was just wondering how many female you can put to one male.
I have a Hermann male who is 13 and I was just wondering how many female you can put to one male.
Cheers for that. I read a book a few weeks ago that said you should have multiple male though I didn't think you were allowed two or more any advice.Generally speaking 2 to 4 females to one male. You can put 10 females in there if the enclosure is large enough, but he is not likely to be able to service all of them and get good fertility.
Cheers for that. I read a book a few weeks ago that said you should have multiple male though I didn't think you were allowed two or more any advice.
Good point!Sometimes, in large well designed enclosures people get away with multiple males in one enclosure. In something really large, like 50x100' and lots of plants and bushes, you could conceivably keep several adult males. and lots of females. However, people who attempt this must be prepared to separate out any individuals of any sex that become too aggressive with their enclosure mates. Sometimes it works and other times they just don't get along.
Your right Tom.....at the Cove' ....On the Cherry side there is a 4.9 with only 2 sub adults (7").Sometimes, in large well designed enclosures people get away with multiple males in one enclosure. In something really large, like 50x100' and lots of plants and bushes, you could conceivably keep several adult males. and lots of females. However, people who attempt this must be prepared to separate out any individuals of any sex that become too aggressive with their enclosure mates. Sometimes it works and other times they just don't get along.
Your right Tom.....at the Cove' ....On the Cherry side there is a 4.9 with only 2 sub adults (7").
I have ZERO problems ....
Sooooo confusedYour right Tom.....at the Cove' ....On the Cherry side there is a 4.9 with only 2 sub adults (7").
I have ZERO problems ....
Sooooo confused
Cheers for all the helpWith Hermann's, multiple males are imperative usually for long term success. You may have short term success with only one for several years but after a certain point in time, they tend to become bored and find the females nothing more than objects in the enclosure. This has been something that many serious keepers overseas have been trying to surface for some time. It's something I have noted over the course of two decades here. In nature, males are all over and benefit from combat and daily interaction with each other. Here at my facility, all Hermann's colonies have multiple males with no less than 2 being part of a group. They are allowed to fight it out, coexist and extra pens are always available if an aggressor is potentially going to cause injury or an issue.
Personally, my favorite ratio, which yields the most production and enables all-natural behaviors is 3 males and 8 females.
This "need for males" does not seem to apply so much to other Mediterranean tortoises such as T. graeca and T. marginata.
Yes Sir ...!OP is talking about hermanni. RFs usually get along in most situations, but two male hermanni are more likely to engage in combat I think. Wouldn't you agree?
I was too....sorry bout that' I thought you were talking RF....Tom and Yvonne as well as Chris are right!Sooooo confused
Oppps My bad ...sorry Yvonne.....but apples and oranges are yummie!Don't be. They're talking apples and oranges. RF tortoises get along much easier than Hermanni. Two male hermanni in the same habitat, unless it's quite big with lots of hiding places and sight barriers, would more than likely fight. Let's send this question to the guy who really knows his Hermanni business - @HermanniChris
With Hermann's, multiple males are imperative usually for long term success. You may have short term success with only one for several years but after a certain point in time, they tend to become bored and find the females nothing more than objects in the enclosure. This has been something that many serious keepers overseas have been trying to surface for some time. It's something I have noted over the course of two decades here. In nature, males are all over and benefit from combat and daily interaction with each other. Here at my facility, all Hermann's colonies have multiple males with no less than 2 being part of a group. They are allowed to fight it out, coexist and extra pens are always available if an aggressor is potentially going to cause injury or an issue.
Personally, my favorite ratio, which yields the most production and enables all-natural behaviors is 3 males and 8 females.
This "need for males" does not seem to apply so much to other Mediterranean tortoises such as T. graeca and T. marginata.
Thanks Tom!Chris, this kind of info is PRICELESS. We could all spend 20 years trying to mimic what you have done (impossible, I know…) and we might learn the same things you have learned, but man, the insight in this post is fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing this.