Help with ID on two Greeks.

[Scincoides]

Hi, i got these two in pretty recently, both just labeled Greeks. I was wondering if anyone could give me a solid idea as to what they are. Both were sold to me as proven, one male, one female. 4 and 9 inches in length. Both came from different sellers. I dont intend to breed this pair since they are obviously very different animals. I REALLY appreciate any help that you can give.

 

[JoesMum]

If you post clear pictures of their plastrons including the tail the @HermanniChris will be able to take a look when he's next about.

You are keeping these separately? Bullying will be an issue when they're such different sizes.

 

[Scincoides]

Hi Joesmum, thanks. Here's some better pics. They are not housed together, they have literally only been anywhere near each other for the 30 seconds that it took me to snap that picture.

 

[Yvonne G]

I'm inclined to think the little one MIGHT be a Kleinmanni. But I'm usually wrong when trying to I.D. the testudos. Wait for @HermanniChris

Plus it doesn't look like he has spurs on his back legs.

 

[Pawciorc]

The darker one is a girl, brighter one a boy. In my opinion she is Ibera, and he is Graeca somewhere from north Africa.

 

[HermanniChris]

You definitely have a female T. g. ibera (female) and a male T. g. terrestris (male).

 

[Scincoides]

You definitely have a female T. g. ibera (female) and a male T. g. terrestris (male).

Thank you so much Chris, i really appreciate it.