Desperately need opinions about sex and behavior

[wellington]

My one rescue leopard was thought to be a female by previous owner. Of course she/he was too little and not cared for well to sex. I kept her name as Lillie and thought she was looking female. She is suppose to be 4 1/2 now.
To me, she looks female still. However, she acts like a male, mounting my female, butting my known male. However, I catch her once in a while, like today, also butting my female, tipping her over.
They all are seperated in their indoor pens. In the outdoor pens, I let my male and female be together most days, when he is leaving my female alone. Today, I tried all three together again. (They used to be able to be together)
All went well. The one in questioned, mounted the female and then followed around. They were fine, until I went to check on them again, and the one in question was trying to tip the female over. I don't need to be told they need to be seperated, I know that and they are most days. I only put them together when I can watch what's going on. Hoping to again be able to let them all roam together like they used too.

So, guess on the sex or what is going on would be helpful.

 

[Jodie]

I am not good at this game, but looks female to me. The tail is a bit long and pointed though. When you put them together, whose enclosure do you put them in? Maybe a neutral area would create less territorial behavior?

 

[wellington]

Only outside when they are together. It's a very large area with places to hide. At one time it was all of theirs. Big L shape with bushes, hides and fence openings to go through.
Her tail looks more like my females, big and fat, but longer like my males

Possibly still too young, but her actions really are throwing me

 

[mike taylor]

Looks male to me .

 

[Levi the Leopard]

Oh the joys of keeping multiples!

 

[wellington]

Oh the joys of keeping multiples!

Yea, I was so hoping to have them together. Then this one, is messing it up. Specially seeing it's acting and looking like both sexes

 

[wellington]

Looks male to me .

Oh great, one female guess, one male guess. Isn't that the way it always seems to go. I just don't know why they can't be easier to sex

 

[Elohi]

Tail looks male, scutes are kind of strange, but female-ish.

 

[Elohi]

I bet those scutes start to grow and putsch outwards, giving him the curled mustache look like many males.

 

[Elohi]

I bet those scutes start to grow and putsch outwards, giving him the curled mustache look like many males.

Either that or she just has a long tail. LOL

 

[wellington]

Either that or she just has a long tail. LOL

Your sounding more confused then me. She was very behind on growth when I got. Took her awhile to start growing and now she is almost caught up to my male, which the two should be close to same age. So it is very possible that the scutes will spread out. However my males tale is a lot thinner then this ones. This ones does look a lot like my females. Very difficult to figure out when looks and acts like both sexes. Oh and no concaving yet.

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

If it were a Greek, I'd say male.
Don't really know Leopards, but i'll stick with male.

 

[Neal]

That's a tough one. Take a picture showing the supracaudal scute.

 

[wellington]

That's a tough one. Take a picture showing the supracaudal scute.

Is that not visible in the first pic? Maybe I have my scutes mixed up?

 

[Neal]

Sorry, I should have clarified. Take a plastron shot showing underneath the supracaudal scute.

Something like this:

 

[johnsonnboswell]

You're describing aggression. Does gender matter? It needs to be separate.

 

[wellington]

You're describing aggression. Does gender matter? It needs to be separate.

Yes gender does matter. Cuz I would like to know cuz she is acting like both sexes and looking like both. The aggression is towards both a male and a female. Yet she will mount the female and follow her like a male would. But then butt her rather then mount her the next time. As I stated they are seperated and only together when I am free to supervise.

 

[wellington]

Sorry, I should have clarified. Take a plastron shot showing underneath the supracaudal scute.

Something like this:

Sorry Neal, my second pic is that, or do you mean with her laying more flat so you can kinda see between the shells more?

 

[wellington]

I will take another pic tomorrow they have been tucked in for the night for awhile now

 

[Neal]

You can't quite see the supracaudal (the rear most scute) in the second picture.

This tells you a lot more than the anal scutes or the tail for odd tortoises like this. If the tip curves inward = male, if it extends outward sort of like forming a V = female.