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Dark Adonis

Discussion in 'Tortoise Breeding' started by Anyfoot, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. allegraf

    allegraf Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    The larger scales would likely be the ones that should have color. Very nice!
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    I have this happen before. Looks like a 'runt' that or one that started to hatch prematurely, hence the oversized yolk-sac. For whatever reason, the ones like this I've produced similarly had very little color and also tended to show the unusual edema around the neck and limbs.
    Keep him warm, moist and disturb as little as possible.
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    Anyfoot Well-Known Member

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    Dont know why but I wasn't notified of these last 2 posts.
    His eggsack has all but gone, not healed though. Still a right fat tort.
    I put a dandilion leaf in the brooder, he's eaten some. Should I leave him in the brooder for longer to see if the swelling goes down? And should I really be offering food as he's already obese?
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    Another "dark mocha" baby!!!!! Love it!!!! She looks either very pudgy or swollen??? I've never seen a baby right after hatching, does this tend to happen? I.e. Either more fat stores to get them through infancy, or extra water stored in tissues? Very interesting
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    cdmay Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    His eggsack has all but gone, not healed though. Still a right fat tort.

    That's what I thought would be the case. I'm fairly sure he/she will be fine from this point forward. Go ahead and offer food sparingly and keep warm and moist.
    Here is one similar to yours (in color) that I produced some years ago.
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    This is another dark 'runt' I produced...Does this oversized yolk-sac opening look familiar?

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    Eventually, the opening closed over and appeared mostly normal.

    Anyfoot, I'm am NOT saying that this is what you've produced. But just that these are a couple of little guys that hatched here over the years that were rather dark, had oversized yolk-sacs and were generally smaller that others.
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    Anyfoot Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, at least it gives me hope, I'm a bit concerned for this one. Did any of these in your photos show coloring later as they grew.
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    Anyfoot Well-Known Member

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    This is a shot I've just took.
    This morning when you looked at him from the side his plastron looked convex. He looked like a rugby ball shape. Hold on, hold on, let me rephrase that. He looked like an American football ball shape.
    Now the plastron seems to have flattened out.
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    Anyfoot Well-Known Member

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    Not sure pearls. I've only hatched 3 redfoots myself, so much to learn. The first one I hatched was dark and slightly swollen, remember that was the one that died at 37g for some reason. This one is even darker and more swollen. Not saying anything bad is going to happen, but it's there in the back of my mind. Time will tell. Fingers crossed.
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    I'd keep the record of weights. "Puffy plastron" concerns me but the fact that's being corrected now is good. I wonder if any of our medical people have had any experience with swelling/fluid overload in pre and immediate post hatching stages. If this baby ends up growing into a healthy adult, I'll tell you this dark moccha coloration is AWESOME!!!! I'd try to foster procreation of those genes. Just love those dark babies!
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    Adorable!
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    So cute!
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    This guys swelling seems to have gone down a lot now, he's getting fiesty too, hissing and ramming me. So into the big wide world with Boris. Boris is 15wks old now, hoping they will be ok, I'll keep a close eye on them. He had a sniff and inspection of Sirius then went on his way.
    BTW, Sirius has not all of a sudden developed a yellow head, the stupid sod went to sleep with his head in a flower head I put in the brooder box yesterday.
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    He's so cute and tiny.
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    Well Sirius has lost his fatty look, feeding and pooping as normal. Heres a video of the little chap, and of course Boris had to take over the show again, not shy one bit. Has anyone else got a tort with white toenails, Boris's back toenails are white.
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    Can you ship to the states? I would totally trade you one of my extreme colorful ones for dear Sirius. Or better yet move to Florida and bring your family and torts!
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    Or to Texas:)
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    The little one's color looks amazing!
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    Just a quick update on Sirius. He's weighing in at 33g, and although he's the smaller younger tort, I think he's the dominant one. 1st photo shows him trying to eat Boris's mushroom even though he has is own.
    He doesn't seem to be getting any color on the limbs either.
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    Dawn says I'm paranoid about this particular Tortoise.
    Dont know if you remember but I had a very dark hatchling like this die at 37g. This one is even darker and tbh it makes me feel uncomfortable. It's 8wks old now, gone from 20g to 35g. It's lively and eats well, everything seems normal, just like the one I had that died.
    I'm convinced it's not producing enough keratin to fill in the crevices(is that possible), it just does not look to me like it's growing correctly. It's a well hydrated tort, gets soaks, humid etc.
    This guy has had no animal protein as of yet.
    Thoughts please.
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    It has a lot of growth going on quickly so the scute seems appear 'stretched'. Try and grow him slowly with good food items, good lighting and high humidity.
    That's really all you can do.
    I'll say this also---that will be an almost solid black adult! Very cool.
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