Hi everyone! I'm 19 years from China.

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

I love tortoise especially Sulcata when i was 16year old i drop out of school and start my tortoise business in China breeding and selling tortoise mainly Sulcata and peripheral products like tortoise Food UVB lamp tortoise tank.

Wish one day i can start my tortoise business in N.A and other place around the word. I'm looking for partner in US wish to sell my products.

Sulcata that i hava

Radiation Sulcata tortoise that i invention

Tortoise Food I BEEN SELLING AND FEEDING MY TORTOISE FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS

wellington · Sep 7, 2017

Hello and Welcome. Looks like your mixing species and breeding sulcata with radiated, a very poor thing to do. Mixing and breeding different species is not excepted by most of us. Breeding a radiated that is endangered in its natural habitat to something other then another radiated is a really bad idea. Also if your only feeding pellet foods and nothing more natural, also a very poor thing to do. Maybe you could stick around and read our care sheets and better the life and health of your tortoises.

Grandpa Turtle 144 · Sep 7, 2017

Yvonne G · Sep 7, 2017

Hi, and welcome to the Forum!

As you see, some of us are pretty close-minded about interbreeding the species. I agree with Wellington, however, I must say your sulcata/radiated tortoises are quite beautiful. I'm interested in knowing if they are fertile. How old are they now? Do you plan to try to breed them when they are old enough? Please keep us informed about this. We have a member who is quite interested in the mixed species tortoises - @Baoh . He used to have several leopard/sulcata tortoises, don't know if he still does.

We also have a member who travels to China frequently - @bouaboua It would be fun to see if you two could get together on one of his trips. China is a very big country. Where exactly are you located?

Tom · Sep 7, 2017

Hello and welcome.

I hope you'll help us put an end to the dangerous practice of mixing species, and making hybrids.

bouaboua · Sep 7, 2017

Hello and Welcome to the forum.

Thanks @Yvonne G for notify me of this thread.

@wellington I believe his so call "radiated Sulcata" are hybrid between Leopard tortoise and Sulcata. There are many hobbyist tortoise breeder, cross breeding them like this in China, Taiwan, Thailand and Malaysia. They breed them for the hype and to brag, and to fool those new tortoise lover and hobby breeder to pay higher price for this poor animal. The money come quicker this way.

陈先生您好：我因为工作的关系，经常在深圳，若是有兴趣，我们可以联系一下聊聊，交流一下，我对于美国的市场，相当了解，也认识很多美国以及华人龟友，也许能提供一些资讯。

wellington · Sep 7, 2017

bouaboua said:
Hello and Welcome to the forum.

Thanks @Yvonne G for notify me of this thread.

@wellington I believe his so call "radiated Sulcata" are hybrid between Leopard tortoise and Sulcata. There are many hobbyist tortoise breeder, cross breeding them like this in China, Taiwan, Thailand and Malaysia. They breed them for the hype and to brag, and to fool those new tortoise lover and hobby breeder to pay higher price for this poor animal. The money come quicker this way.

陈先生您好：我因为工作的关系，经常在深圳，若是有兴趣，我们可以联系一下聊聊，交流一下，我对于美国的市场，相当了解，也认识很多美国以及华人龟友，也许能提供一些资讯。

I wouldn't think a leopard and sulcata cross would look like that, with the Rads marking. But then I don't and wouldn't cross breed so I have no idea. You for sure know more about what they do there then I do. Keep spreading your word over there, I'm sure some are listening and soon most will.
Btw, hope you and yours are doing great.

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

wellington said:
Hello and Welcome. Looks like your mixing s pecies and breeding sulcata with radiated, a very poor thing to do. Mixing and breeding different species is not excepted by most of us. Breeding a radiated that is endangered in its natural habitat to something other then another radiated is a really bad idea. Also if your only feeding pellet foods and nothing more natural, also a very poor thing to do. Maybe you could stick around and read our care sheets and better the life and health of your tortoises.

I'm not mixing or corssing sulcata it is 100% Sulcata when it was born it looks noting different with common Sulcata. I dont even know why it just became such a beautiful things like this. this is what is looks like when it was 1.3 years old

( I sold this one)

And i keep the second one until now. I'm not feeding pellet foods everyday mainly i feeding them Leaf lettuce，sweet potato stem and leaf also pellet foods are much more expensive then natural food and it gives enough nutrition to grow, I'm guarantee my tortoises are very health.

bouaboua · Sep 7, 2017

wellington said:
I wouldn't think a leopard and sulcata cross would look like that, with the Rads marking. But then I don't and wouldn't cross breed so I have no idea. You for sure know more about what they do there then I do. Keep spreading your word over there, I'm sure some are listening and soon most will.
Btw, hope you and yours are doing great.

Hi Barb: Thank you for the greeding. We are doing well!

if you stroll down to the 2015~16 photo page of a Facebook site by "JPA", which is a tortoise/reptiles dealer in Taiwan that I visited few times when I traveled back to there, you would see many photo of his hybrid Leo/Sulcata.

He cross breed Leo and Sulcata and that is exactly how the offspring looks like. He cross male Sulcata and female Leo or vise versa that I can't remember who or what is the male will produce light yellow color of tortoise that have Leo's head but Sulcata's legs and radiated carapaces.

Pretty little thing, but just don't seems right to me.

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

Yvonne G said:
Hi, and welcome to the Forum!

As you see, some of us are pretty close-minded about interbreeding the species. I agree with Wellington, however, I must say your sulcata/radiated tortoises are quite beautiful. I'm interested in knowing if they are fertile. How old are they now? Do you plan to try to breed them when they are old enough? Please keep us informed about this. We have a member who is quite interested in the mixed species tortoises - @Baoh . He used to have several leopard/sulcata tortoises, don't know if he still does.

We also have a member who travels to China frequently - @bouaboua It would be fun to see if you two could get together on one of his trips. China is a very big country. Where exactly are you located?

Hi YG
This is 100% Sulcata and i saw Baoh's leopard/sulcata which is very good idea i appreciate it .
Yes i will try to breed them when they are old enough. cant wait to see the day come.

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

Tom said:
Hello and welcome.

I hope you'll help us put an end to the dangerous practice of mixing species, and making hybrids.

why u call it dangerous...

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

bouaboua said:
Hello and Welcome to the forum.

Thanks @Yvonne G for notify me of this thread.

@wellington I believe his so call "radiated Sulcata" are hybrid between Leopard tortoise and Sulcata. There are many hobbyist tortoise breeder, cross breeding them like this in China, Taiwan, Thailand and Malaysia. They breed them for the hype and to brag, and to fool those new tortoise lover and hobby breeder to pay higher price for this poor animal. The money come quicker this way.

陈先生您好：我因为工作的关系，经常在深圳，若是有兴趣，我们可以联系一下聊聊，交流一下，我对于美国的市场，相当了解，也认识很多美国以及华人龟友，也许能提供一些资讯。

Yes i agree this is some people do in Asia breed them for the hype and to brag,but not only in Asia i have to say people do this all around the word. these things usually happen on lizards not on tortoise. There are so many way to make money, u can make money on bad way or on good way depend on what u think and do. i will do the good way to make my and all the tortoise life better.

你好bouaboua我很高兴与你取得沟通这是我的微信Wechat 1114749778 期待你的回复.

Tom · Sep 7, 2017

chenwei said:
why u call it dangerous...

Yvonne posted this link in a thread. It explains the concept well.
http://www.tortoisetrust.org/articles/mixing.htm

Basically, different species from different continents are not able to battle the "bugs" from other species and other parts of the world. I've seen many people lose their entire collections this way. I get messages from people all over Asia asking me to help them figure out what mystery ailment is killing their tortoises. Its sad. Almost every time they send me pics, there are two, three or four species all running around together.

Also, I am an animal trainer by trade. I study behavior. Different tortoise species are simply not compatible as far as behavior too. For example: sulcatas are very boisterous and active and when housed with leopards, it can stress the leopards out.

bouaboua · Sep 7, 2017

chenwei said:
Yes i agree this is some people do in Asia breed them for the hype and to brag,but not only in Asia i have to say people do this all around the word. these things usually happen on lizards not on tortoise. There are so many way to make money, u can make money on bad way or on good way depend on what u think and do. i will do the good way to make my and all the tortoise life better.

你好bouaboua我很高兴与你取得沟通这是我的微信Wechat 1114749778 期待你的回复.

I have no idea the lizard's species separation. I know you can cross breed dogs because they are in the same species, just different breed.

Different tortoise are different "specie", there is very big difference.

The Sulcata that you show and say that was your "invention" which with "Radiated carapaces", did you hatched yourself? or you purchased from someone else? If purchased, how can you be sure is 100% Sulcata? and what do you mean by "invention? This is why we all think that you are cross breeding them.

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

bouaboua said:
I have no idea the lizard's species separation. I know you can cross breed dogs because they are in the same species, just different breed.

Different tortoise are different "specie", there is very big difference.

The Sulcata that you show and say that was your "invention" which with "Radiated carapaces", did you hatched yourself? or you purchased from someone else? If purchased, how can you be sure is 100% Sulcata? and what do you mean by "invention? This is why we all think that you are cross breeding them.

Excuse my English i'm not invention anything or cross breeding,I just want you guys to have a look. Because i think it is interesting.

bouaboua · Sep 7, 2017

I'm glad that we got things clear out.

bouaboua · Sep 7, 2017

chenwei said:
Excuse my English i'm not invention anything or cross breeding,I just want you guys to have a look. Because i think it is interesting.

Are you in Melbourne Australia? Or China??

chenwei · Sep 7, 2017

Tom said:
Yvonne posted this link in a thread. It explains the concept well.
http://www.tortoisetrust.org/articles/mixing.htm

Basically, different species from different continents are not able to battle the "bugs" from other species and other parts of the world. I've seen many people lose their entire collections this way. I get messages from people all over Asia asking me to help them figure out what mystery ailment is killing their tortoises. Its sad. Almost every time they send me pics, there are two, three or four species all running around together.

Also, I am an animal trainer by trade. I study behavior. Different tortoise species are simply not compatible as far as behavior too. For example: sulcatas are very boisterous and active and when housed with leopards, it can stress the leopards out.

bouaboua said:
Are you in Melbourne Australia? Or China??

China Guangzhou but it show Melbourne

Gillian M · Sep 8, 2017

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Tidgy's Dad · Sep 12, 2017

Hello, and a very warm welcome to Tortoise Forum.

Have a look at the latest up to date care info.
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
and http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/how-to-raise-a-healthy-sulcata-or-leopard-version-2-0.79895/
also http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/for-those-who-have-a-young-sulcata.76744/

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