Rant... TF don't be letting me down

This lady posted her enclosure on facebook and I tried to give her advice and point her to tortoise forum. She only responded with with crass comments. Where did she find her info on here? I can't she got that info here. Was I being utterly rude and not noticing it?

She did not find that info here. However, your info about the dishes is wrong. We all recommend those saucers. She just needs to make them level with the substrate.
I would try to get her to read Toms threads. Her tort will pyramid for sure. She should also learn that most vets don't have a clue about tortoises. Maybe you can just copy and paste the link to Toms thread of the closed chamber. If you can try again I would.

Maybe my tort is just retarded then. Lol he can't climb out no matter what. That's a good idea to post his thread but she's already pretty grumpy and seems set in her ways...

Okay I did it I also saw Rodney post on there after me, pretty much telling her everything on the caresheet. I don't know if he is on here but he is like the Sulcata page expert, like our tome. Lol

Gennifer11 said:

Maybe my tort is just retarded then. Lol he can't climb out no matter what. That's a good idea to post his thread but she's already pretty grumpy and seems set in her ways...

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Some will put some rocks in the saucer for the ones that have trouble to get a little help from. I hope she can be turned around to get the proper info. All you can do is try and you did that. Now we just hope she will understand the care and concern behind the help and she will take it.

this lady is just determined to keep a tort weather it be right or wrong way you've tried to lead her correctly that's all you can do you can't force her to take the info or see that it's bad husbandry

If you apply too much pressure, she may just ignore everything. Try going slow and steady, one thing at a time. Give lots of positive reinforcement for the smallest of things.

Thanks guys At least I tried. That's all I can do. Poor baby.

Here is an update, I'm just going to watch and see what happens

Some people just won't take advice.
You and Rodney did your best, but sadly, I think this young lady is too closed-minded to listen to anyone.
It will be the tortoise that suffers.
I've listened and my little girl lives a happier life because of it and i'm sure it's the same with you.
We've learned from this great forum and will continue to do so.
You weren't silent. You spoke out. And that's important.
Well done.
(in my opinion)

these are the people who upset me. I'm glad I listen

Gennifer11 said:

Okay I did it I also saw Rodney post on there after me, pretty much telling her everything on the caresheet. I don't know if he is on here but he is like the Sulcata page expert, like our tome. Lol

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I know Rodney. Great guy. He is a member her and we PM form time to time.

Wish I could talk to her.

Gennifer11 said:

Thanks guys At least I tried. That's all I can do. Poor baby.

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Most people who have gotten the old bad info, or mixed info, will take some time to come around. You've planted a seed. It may take either a long time or a short time for that seed to grow and come to fruition, but if you hadn't planted it, it would never grow.

Good job.

All you can do is try, great job doing that.

My mother who has two Hermanns frequents these Facebook groups, personally I have noticed a lot of the information being handed out on these are false, and people are both extremely aggressive(not you) about suggesting changes, which in turn makes the defendant very ... defensive. My mother is obsessed with her tortoises, mayb more than I am, and fears posting on these places just for the backlash of the community on them.

Personally I have noticed forum communities such as this and other sites are filled with more dedicated individuals, who are more used to dealing with new tortoise owners, and how to put that information across. Personally I don't use any tortoise related web resource that isn't dedicated to tortoises, such as Facebook, Preloved etc. It makes me upset seeing the conditions of lazy, uneducated and un-resourceful people in the UK, and how they treat their tortoises and other animals.

I still have the image of a poor redfoot being sold for £300!, not even up for adoption near myself, he has a dip in his spine that looks like he will fold in half, his face scales are swollen and red, his legs are so weak, he has more pyramiding than Egypt, he's fully grown in a 4 foot vivarium, and is allowed to potter around on their horrible carpeted floor. Some people are ignorant and disgusting, people should require a license to own any sort of pet ... or child.

Just to add on, I find a lot of tortoise owners here in the UK, seem to think they are the only one with a tortoise, and they are the be all and all of tortoise care, and experts after a week.

Chenderson said:

My mother who has two Hermanns frequents these Facebook groups, personally I have noticed a lot of the information being handed out on these are false, and people are both extremely aggressive(not you) about suggesting changes, which in turn makes the defendant very ... defensive. My mother is obsessed with her tortoises, mayb more than I am, and fears posting on these places just for the backlash of the community on them.

Personally I have noticed forum communities such as this and other sites are filled with more dedicated individuals, who are more used to dealing with new tortoise owners, and how to put that information across. Personally I don't use any tortoise related web resource that isn't dedicated to tortoises, such as Facebook, Preloved etc. It makes me upset seeing the conditions of lazy, uneducated and un-resourceful people in the UK, and how they treat their tortoises and other animals.

I still have the image of a poor redfoot being sold for £300!, not even up for adoption near myself, he has a dip in his spine that looks like he will fold in half, his face scales are swollen and red, his legs are so weak, he has more pyramiding than Egypt, he's fully grown in a 4 foot vivarium, and is allowed to potter around on their horrible carpeted floor. Some people are ignorant and disgusting, people should require a license to own any sort of pet ... or child.

Just to add on, I find a lot of tortoise owners here in the UK, seem to think they are the only one with a tortoise, and they are the be all and all of tortoise care, and experts after a week.

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It's all relative. The English are comparatively good with animals.
if you saw what goes on here you'd have a pink fit.

Tidgy's Dad said:

It's all relative. The English are comparatively good with animals.
if you saw what goes on here you'd have a pink fit.

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I have no doubt other countries are just as bad, but I see few from UK on here, and most care advise is tailored to hotter countries. I can only speak about my own location, and all tortoise owners I have come in contact with in person have no clue, and are extremely stubborn.

Unfortunately, ignorance of effective tortoise husbandry is rampant, spread by countless books written over many years by countless misinformed authors. I mean, I can remember reading the old TFH series here in the US, the "step by step" series on tortoises. These books actually recommended feeding tortoises bread seeped in milk and cheese. Luckily, I was never so completely ignorant of a tortoise's natural existence as to offer such items, but for years in the nineties and late eighties, I raised my torts by way of the dry method. I must admit that I was very much helped by the South Texas warm and humid climate, given that you couldn't really keep them dry here when they were raised outdoors. As a result, my torts grew very smooth. I never had the trouble of establishing humid conditions indoors. South Texas really is a wonderful place for raising these beasts (which is why I never understood why they weren't more popular here; I mean, we even have a native species of tortoise running about these parts; why tortoise keeping became so huge in California and remained so unpopular here is a mystery to me).

As for people treating animals badly, this is, unfortunately, not something that will ever stop. All the governments of the world can't even get humans to treat each other with dignity and respect. Without the ability to instill even this very basic value, how is one to expect the insane apes who claim to hold dominion over this planet (despite running for their petty little lives at the outset of a thunderstorm) to treat other species with respect? And as for additional laws solving this problem, after having seen the frustrating ineptitude of my country's legislators and the incredibly idiotic laws already on the books, I feel that laws have no place in governing my reasonable freedom to keep and breed these wonderful animals in captivity. We don't need greater restrictions on the keeping of these animals; we need more widespread education of the ways in which to successfully keep them. I personally have no interest in paying a fee to the state to own my animals, nor do I have any interest in being condescended to by some bureaucrat who knows nothing of the animals whose care he's licensing.

T.G.

Chenderson said:

I have no doubt other countries are just as bad, but I see few from UK on here, and most care advise is tailored to hotter countries. I can only speak about my own location, and all tortoise owners I have come in contact with in person have no clue, and are extremely stubborn.

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A lot of other UK tort owners I've spoken to (who have no idea about this forum) have normally got their knowledge from an older relative who used to have a tortoise that "lived in the garden and disappeared years ago". My Granddad being one, he has no idea what happened to his two after however many years. They used to live in the garden like rabbits, eating weeds and would eventually wander into bushes and never be seen again. I have to remind him time and time again that I have a tortoise not a turtle, so he doesn't need a tank of water. Also that I can't just "put him out in the garden" like a dog..